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Old 04-18-2008, 10:47 AM
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i don't know how you can make the case that street sense wouldn't have been able to give curlin a run for his money at four. street sense won throughout the year last year, but then ran his worst race in the swamp at monmouth. how does that correlate to him not giving curlin a run this year? would all their matchups be in a quagmire?
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:48 AM
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Because, and it pains me to say, Street Sense was always phony.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:50 AM
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lol
always phony? talk about rewriting history.
that has to knock curlins ability down a couple notches, if he was all out to beat a phony by a head bob in the preakness.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:52 AM
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He stumbled, was rushed along, bore out some, was left for dead by a perfect trip Street Sense on the far turn - and somehow won anyway.

Street Sense had no excuse for not winning that race.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:55 AM
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and an argument could be made that curlin shouldn't have lost the belmont. none of this gets us anywhere really.
i thought there were several good horses, and that curlin ended up the season the strongest.
i also think it's a shame they will only meet up now in our imaginations. but no one will convince me that street sense was a phony, or that curlin was towering head and shoulders over his peers.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:57 AM
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and an argument could be made that curlin shouldn't have lost the belmont.
Yeah, a bad one.

It was a slow paced 12 furlong race and he was caught inside and didn't have the turn of foot. Big deal.
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Old 04-18-2008, 11:16 AM
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Shut up Hossy.

No one said Street Sense was finishing dead last anywhere.
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Old 04-18-2008, 11:53 AM
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Because, and it pains me to say, Street Sense was always phony.
Thats the worst, and most inaccurate thing I've EVER heard you say.







Then I read your Pyro tout thread.
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Thats the worst, and most inaccurate thing I've EVER heard you say.
I laughed.


But honestly, look at Street Sense's final four races...

Jim Dandy: A very workmanlike slow figure win with CP West a length and a half back in 2nd. Cowtown Cat was menacing on the turn and finished like 4th by 3.

Travers: He sat right off of the lightly raced and lacking foundation Grasshopper (who was making his stakes debut) - and needed almost the entire length of the stretch to win.

Ky Cup: An unpressured Hard Spun was pulling away from him through the lane

Breeders Cup Classic: Tried to win the race by moving in tandem with Curlin, he simply couldn't stay with him and was fractured trying. Coming off of the bridel late and losing 3rd to suck-up Awesome Gem.

The people who think Street Sense was some kind of monster have to base that laughable opinion solely on his BC Juvenile, Tampa Derby, Kentucky Derby, and Preakness efforts - all of which came with the same fast paced setup and the same dream trip.

I call him a phony only because his mind-boggling repute was built on the basis of four big races that anyone should have been able to identify as dream trips for the ages.
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I laughed.


But honestly, look at Street Sense's final four races...

Jim Dandy: A very workmanlike slow figure win with CP West a length and a half back in 2nd. Cowtown Cat was menacing on the turn and finished like 4th by 3.

Travers: He sat right off of the lightly raced and lacking foundation Grasshopper (who was making his stakes debut) - and needed almost the entire length of the stretch to win.

Ky Cup: An unpressured Hard Spun was pulling away from him through the lane

Breeders Cup Classic: Tried to win the race by moving in tandem with Curlin, he simply couldn't stay with him and was fractured trying. Coming off of the bridel late and losing 3rd to suck-up Awesome Gem.

The people who think Street Sense was some kind of monster have to base that laughable opinion solely on his BC Juvenile, Tampa Derby, Kentucky Derby, and Preakness efforts - all of which came with the same fast paced setup and the same dream trip.

I call him a phony only because his mind-boggling repute was built on the basis of four big races that anyone should have been able to identify as dream trips for the ages.
I don't disagree with your assessment of his final 4 races, none of which were spectacular despite actually winning two of them. He didn't move forward, and the other two did. However, I don't think anyone considered Street Sense a "monster" (despite perhaps the best BCJ performance of all time.) I would describe him more as "excellent" and "deserving", but definitely NOT phony.
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