Can this Jockey be a bigger douchebag ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Sad when a valet makes more than a jock.

What is sad is a jockey that makes less money than a valet still riding.

[TheSpyder]

So what exactly does a valet do?

Spyder

[Danzig]

i don't know that i agree 'most' jocks are overpaid. taking the high profile cases such as gomez and desormeaux and thinking everyone makes what they make in a year....well, not so. a lot of jocks out there, and a lot of smaller tracks.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

So what exactly does a valet do?

Spyder

Park the jocky's car in the morning???

[The Bid]

Cannon thats just the way I see it. I dont think a trainers 10PCT should HAVE to be staked to the help. Just like I dont think the jocks should be forced to pay a set amount to a valet, and owners shouldnt be forced to buy the barn win tickets.

Im sure a lot of it is tax deductable, its still a lot of money for a lot of nothing. I have no issue with saying a jock is overpaid, but if thats the case so are the valets and agents.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon thats just the way I see it. I dont think a trainers 10PCT should HAVE to be staked to the help. Just like I dont think the jocks should be forced to pay a set amount to a valet, and owners shouldnt be forced to buy the barn win tickets.

Im sure a lot of it is tax deductable, its still a lot of money for a lot of nothing. I have no issue with saying a jock is overpaid, but if thats the case so are the valets and agents.

I am not saying the jocks are overpaid. If they are good at their job I have no problem with them being well compensated. I do believe that they are ungrateful, spoiled babies in many cases. They contribute far less to a horses success than a trainer yet are paid the same amount. Maybe we should pay them 5% like the harness drivers get? I suppose Coa doesnt realize that he is a broken arm away from being a hotwalker too. By paying the valets less and increasing their taxable income, they will wind up paying the govt more. That makes a lot of sense. They complain about the weights (which is total bs), they want someone else to pay their insurance bills, they bankrupt their own organization yet want more handouts for their worthless "media rights", they want to pay their employees less, etc. the tracks do their accounting and billing for them for nothing.

[Honu]

When I started riding races in 1986 I was told from other riders in the room you pay your valet 10% of your whole pay check , not whats left over after you pay your agent 25% and uncle sam and your tack bill and all that other crap.
The valets also get paid by the track a daily wage to saddle horses , the guy that sets your silks and cleans your saddle is not always the guy who saddles your horse , the valest are usually assigned numbers and that is who they saddle. The valets are also in a union , so when they retire they get their union benifits and all the other stuff that goes with it .
When I spent a summer riding here in California I couldnt believe that the horsemans bookkeeper would take 5% of my money and put it on the valets paycheck without asking me , that is just the way it is done here and really to be honest its wrong for them to take money from my paycheck.
I always paid my valet 10 % of my check and if we had a really good week Id throw a lil extra in too , but there were weeks when we didnt make much and he would say hey just catch me next time ok .
I believe the valets take care of the riders because its extra money in their pocket and they should be paid for it but I dont think its the racetracks place to take money out of my check and pay them , so I can see where the big guys who make alot of money could be getting pissed.
Some places the valets make 10$ per jocks ride and 25$ per win or however the scale goes , but it is always up to the rider how much they are gonna pay them. Most jockeys have good relationships with their valets and take care of them well , I just dont believe that they should be paid out of my paycheck without me saying so.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am not saying the jocks are overpaid. If they are good at their job I have no problem with them being well compensated. I do believe that they are ungrateful, spoiled babies in many cases. They contribute far less to a horses success than a trainer yet are paid the same amount. Maybe we should pay them 5% like the harness drivers get? I suppose Coa doesnt realize that he is a broken arm away from being a hotwalker too. By paying the valets less and increasing their taxable income, they will wind up paying the govt more. That makes a lot of sense. They complain about the weights (which is total bs), they want someone else to pay their insurance bills, they bankrupt their own organization yet want more handouts for their worthless "media rights", they want to pay their employees less, etc. the tracks do their accounting and billing for them for nothing.

You say those media rights are worthless but Id like to see racetracks and stallion frams and owners promote their horses with no image of a rider on their backs.
You know people take pictures of me on horses all the time and I see no money from it , Horse Photos.com can take my pic on a horse and sell it for how much ever they want with no consent of mine.
How would you like it if people were taking your pic and selling it and making money and you never saw a dime of it , bet you wouldnt stand for it long , bet youd hire a lawyer and sue their ass for it .
As for the accounting and billing that is a relation between the horseman and the bookkeeper , the horseman have agreed to having the owners pay out of their account rather than the jockey hunting them down to get the money.
I dont know about the whole insurance thing but from what I have always understood its about workmans comp .
Not every jockey is in the jockeys guild , not everyone agreed to give them money , I never did and i also rode when they went on strike , so dont lump all jocks into the guild because not all of us were memebers.
To me there is a simple solution , owners should hire jocks on a contract like they do in Europe, that way you own them , you are their employeer , and you treat them as such , works for the Euro's and the Sheiks why couldnt it work here?

Originally Posted by Honu

How would you like it if people were taking your pic and selling it and making money and you never saw a dime of it , bet you wouldnt stand for it long , bet youd hire a lawyer and sue their ass for it .

Hmm.

*contacts the marketing department for Swanson*

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

You say those media rights are worthless but Id like to see racetracks and stallion frams and owners promote their horses with no image of a rider on their backs.

They are worthless because there is no market for them. A good or service is only worth as much as consumers will pay for it. Since there are no consumers for jockeys media rights, they have no value.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

How would you like it if people were taking your pic and selling it and making money and you never saw a dime of it , bet you wouldnt stand for it long , bet youd hire a lawyer and sue their ass for it .

Are you kidding? If someone could make money off of pictures of me I would declare them a genius and ask for a job.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

So what exactly does a valet do?

Spyder

Originally Posted by kgar311

Park the jocky's car in the morning???

Haha good one but no, a jockey valet saddles the horse, cleans the tack & clothes, gets the silks for each race, helps them dress for each race, etc.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by philcski

Haha good one but no, a jockey valet saddles the horse, cleans the tack & clothes, gets the silks for each race, helps them dress for each race, etc.

Geez...I know jocks are little...but I stopped needing help getting dressed long ago.

Been at least 2-3 years now...

[Danzig]

the jocks valet saddles the horse?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GPK

Geez...I know jocks are little...but I stopped needing help getting dressed long ago.

Been at least 2-3 years now...

I laughed