NYRA denies stalls, bars Matties

[Riot]

This part I don't understand (and I know nothing of the Matties family) - what wagering accounts/wagering sites does the TRPB have access to?

And why does Hayward say, "We're not saying there was any race-fixing or anything like that going on."

Isn't that exactly what they are saying?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

This part I don't understand (and I know nothing of the Matties family) - what wagering accounts/wagering sites does the TRPB have access to?

And why does Hayward say, "We're not saying there was any race-fixing or anything like that going on."

Isn't that exactly what they are saying?

that's how you say it w/out opening yourself up for a libel/slander suit

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

that's how you say it w/out opening yourself up for a libel/slander suit

But seriously ... what about the account access? Doesn't that worry folks?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

But seriously ... what about the account access? Doesn't that worry folks?

I'd like to hear more of the dirt..I'm naive to this whole story/background

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'd like to hear more of the dirt..I'm naive to this whole story/background

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

I don't doubt what you said, but there has to be something going on here?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

He makes no bones about the fact that he and his brothers (who coincendentally own about 90% of his stock) like to bet- and bet big. This is no secret. His horses generally suck and go off at long odds, and he wins at like 5%, outside of the inner track where he's a stellar 10-15%. Not sure what the big deal is here. It's not like he needs to artificially inflate the odds of his horses to bet them... they take care of that themselves. Even if his brothers are betting against their runners, (a) that's not illegal and (b) probably makes sense, because of the reasons stated above.

Like I said, I know the guy, and he ain't the brightest bulb (but definitely a nice guy who geniunely loves his horses). There's no "fixing" going on here.

you think this might have to be in regards to that putover last year on that big P6 day? I can't remember but the horse was like 42/1 or something int he first leg of the sequence and won by like 4 lengths??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Scav

you think this might have to be in regards to that putover last year on that big P6 day? I can't remember but the horse was like 42/1 or something int he first leg of the sequence and won by like 4 lengths??

That was Saratoga almost 9 months ago.... and that horse was yet another in the line of impossible to figure NYB turf racing. Anybody that watches NYRA regularly knows that most of these horses aren't very good, so they beat each other up, sometimes with headscratching results. Honestly I think he was more surprised than anyone, I saw him a couple days before that and he said flat out, the horse had issues and had no shot [and he looked it on recent form, even though he had run a few decent turf races in the past], and when i sent him a congratulatory text he said he was more shocked than the crowd. It was the first race he'd won at Saratoga in like 8 years or something. More than likely it was something on the inner, based on the timing of the penalty handown.