Is Haskin joking?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I give Haskin some credit for creativity. Beats picking Pyro or Big Brown.

Monba is regarded as Pletcher's best chance - and that alone will contribute to him being significantly overbet.

There are horses with better chances who will be bigger prices.

[jcs11204]

like cowboy cal and court vision

[The Indomitable DrugS]

No

[Travis Stone]

I think this thread further supports the notion this crop is crazy, wide-open and hard to figure.

Z Fortune could be cycling towards a new top. If the Oaklawn figure is a bit high (there was a dicussion about this), then he realistically could be cycling back to a new top.

The problem with these horses is when a horse does put in an good effort, people act as if they are allergic to it, because we have seen so many average races in the big events all spring long.

[HaloWishingwell]

As tough as it is to pick the Derby winner I would like to thank Keeneland and all tracks that followed of installing polytrack and confusing the bettors even further.

[hockey2315]

Can someone please explain the appeal of Visionaire to me? I'm not getting it.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Can someone please explain the appeal of Visionaire to me? I'm not getting it.

Maybe it's the Matz//BARBARO appeal. But this year on that given day who knows.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Can someone please explain the appeal of Visionaire to me? I'm not getting it.

Apparently his non-threatening fifth in the Blue Grass wowed many a prospective bettor.

I'm reluctant to completely toss him because he does seem to always fire and has at least some semblance of a closing kick, but I'm not in love with him either..

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think this thread further supports the notion this crop is crazy, wide-open and hard to figure.

Z Fortune could be cycling towards a new top. If the Oaklawn figure is a bit high (there was a dicussion about this), then he realistically could be cycling back to a new top.

The problem with these horses is when a horse does put in an good effort, people act as if they are allergic to it, because we have seen so many average races in the big events all spring long.

I absolutely 100% agree with your 1st paragraph, last year we had the benefit of atleast seeing the major contenders run at CD in the BC juvie. Thus we got an idea how horses performed on the surface they were running on. With the advent of poly/cushion/synthetic tracks it just further muddles the derby selection process. If comparing preps was hard enough before.

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but anybody making a derby prediction this far out without seeing horses work at CD (this will be invaluable resource) is purely guessing if you ask me. If picking the derby winner was hard before, it is close to impossible now. But with workouts it might just give a glimmer of hope.

The horse or horses I decide on will be based on the reports I read from DRF, Bloodhorse..ect..staff, as unscientic as that may sound. I can't think of a better way to attack this derby. I don't trust one prep with the exception of the Arkansas Derby at this stage.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

according to my top secret figs..lol drf z fortune will end up around 12th