flower alley nothing special

Cajungator26 · #1 08-05-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

bb is right. no race for 9 months.

The colt was off of training for 3 months which means that he was NOT sitting in a stall for 9 months. Thank you...

#2 08-05-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The colt was off of training for 3 months which means that he was NOT sitting in a stall for 9 months. Thank you...

Cajun, I believe the horse was out of training from the BCC of 2005 to May of 2006. So that is about 5-6 months. But I am sure he was jogged and all that good stuff. But remember the main goal is the BCC. This is what is wrong with the Breeders Cup.

Thunder Gulch · #3 08-05-2006, 05:49 PM

Clearly not good today, but calling this horse a fraud is shortsighted. He's already run faster than almost every horse in the country, so toss this race and let's see what he does next time. The goal is to run his best race at Churchill this fall, and I'm not one to question the methods of the top trainer in America.

sumitas · #4 08-05-2006, 05:50 PM

i suppose the tip was when Mayne, on ESPN, said Pletcher said FA was not 100% coming into this race.

Exceller · #5 08-05-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Cajun, I believe the horse was out of training from the BCC of 2005 to May of 2006. So that is about 5-6 months. But I am sure he was jogged and all that good stuff. But remember the main goal is the BCC. This is what is wrong with the Breeders Cup.

he did not race for 8 months.

FA is a really good horse but what I meant by nothing special is that he is not a st liam/ghostzapper type. invasor probably is.

Gander · #6 08-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Hes no horse of the year canindate. Thats for sure. Lava Man and Bernardini are the only two possibilities. Flower Alley has no shot. That was a dismal performance and at 3/2 to boot.

Danzig · #7 08-05-2006, 08:07 PM

i said elsewhere that i was never high on the horse, but i think fraud is too strong a word. he's got a lot of redeeming to do right now if he wants to get back into the hoy picture....

obviously flower alley wasn't ready for today. whether he was short, out of shape, or lack of seasoning....or a bit of all. pletcher said he wasn't fit, that he expected him to peak in two more races. but wow, no way tap thought flower alley would finish out of the money.

Danzig · #8 08-05-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Hes no horse of the year canindate. Thats for sure. Lava Man and Bernardini are the only two possibilities. Flower Alley has no shot. That was a dismal performance and at 3/2 to boot.

you don't think invasor has a shot at hoy? i'd say he has more of a shot at it right now than bernardini.

#9 08-05-2006, 09:19 PM

I dont see how a horse that came in a very tough second as a 3 YEAR OLD at the BCC can be considered a fraud. How many races can Invasor run like that? That had to take the starch out. Heroic effort to hold off Sun King in a meltdown.

jpops757 · #10 08-05-2006, 09:36 PM

If surf Cat can return and the conections will send him east he should be in line for some consideration for HOY. Nothing but brialance on the track.

alysheba4 · #11 08-05-2006, 10:02 PM

i just hope he didnt get hurt, i have a bad feeling though because he is no fraud.......

#12 08-05-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

he did not race for 8 months.

FA is a really good horse but what I meant by nothing special is that he is not a st liam/ghostzapper type. invasor probably is.

I know he hasnt raced in 8 months. I was talking about training not racing.

#13 08-05-2006, 11:36 PM

This might be Todd Pletchers worse training performance of his career. If Flower Alley goes on to lose the JCGC and BCC then it is all on Pletcher. He had the route mapped out since last Dec.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #14 08-05-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

he did not race for 8 months.

FA is a really good horse but what I meant by nothing special is that he is not a st liam/ghostzapper type. invasor probably is.

He's probably as good as Saint Liam or atleast close. Neither of them (SL or Invasor) are like Ghostzapper. He was far superior when on his game...

#15 08-05-2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

He's probably as good as Saint Liam or atleast close. Neither of them (SL or Invasor) are like Ghostzapper. He was far superior when on his game...

See I dont get where St Liam was all that good.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #16 08-05-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

See I dont get where St Liam was all that good.

St. Liam wasnt that great at all but the best of his season. I think Invasor is currently the best of his season but neither have knocked my socks off so to speak with talent so I rank them very similarly. Invasor could and maybe will prove to be better, but St. Liam did show up for the most part when asked so he has a BC win in his favor. For speculations sake (and nothing more), if Invasor goes on to win the BCC I think he and St. Liam will go down in history viewed about the same. Nice horses, not overly spectacular, more gritty than flashy. I just think Ghostzapper was in a league of his own.

#17 08-05-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

St. Liam wasnt that great at all but the best of his season. I think Invasor is currently the best of his season but neither have knocked my socks off so to speak with talent so I rank them very similarly. Invasor could and maybe will prove to be better, but St. Liam did show up for the most part when asked so he has a BC win in his favor. For speculations sake (and nothing more), if Invasor goes on to win the BCC I think he and St. Liam will go down in history viewed about the same. Nice horses, not overly spectacular, more gritty than flashy. I just think Ghostzapper was in a league of his own.

I couldnt agree more. St Liam won by default last year in the BCC.

Dunbar · #18 08-06-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

For speculations sake (and nothing more), if Invasor goes on to win the BCC I think he and St. Liam will go down in history viewed about the same. Nice horses, not overly spectacular, more gritty than flashy. I just think Ghostzapper was in a league of his own.

Ghostzapper didn't look like he was "in a league of his own" when St Liam had him fully extended to win the only race the ran against each other. St Liam ran with him around the turn and the entire stretch, only to lose by a fraction of a length. GZ WAS a special horse, I agree. But elevating GZ at St Liam's expense doesn't cut it.

It's still too early to rate Invasor. But I don't see how anyone can fault what Invasor has done so far. VERY nice horse.

--Dunbar

#19 08-05-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The colt was off of training for 3 months which means that he was NOT sitting in a stall for 9 months. Thank you...

Dearest Madam,

I was speaking metaphorically when I said he was standing ... not sitting ... in a stall for nine months. That was a figure of speech ... for the fact that the horse hadn't raced in nine months.

You know what a "figure of speech" is don't you? That's correct.

One, two, three, four ... when spoken ... are all figures of speech.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh !!!