Commentator ?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

Well no kidding, but these days if you only like horses that fit that description you won't like 99.999999999% of the horses out there.

[philcski]

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by philcski

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

makes sense to me.... i want him to go long.... how long is the cd handicap ?

[jcs11204]

i have to be honest... he is the best horse i have ever seen run LIVE AND IN PERSON...his whitney over st liam was gigantic, and the next race... just read the chart....UNDER ATTACK...... st liam comes back to win the breeders cup, does that not say enough about commentator

Originally Posted by philcski

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.

It is a 250,000 7f gift for the one turn wonder.
He is fun to watch.

But he will have to enter
a claiming race to win at two turns again.

I cant remember the race exactly but I remember
Spanish Chestnut and the other fast horse damn
I cant remember. think it was Pomeroy. Just bit
into him and he just wilted in the stretch. There
are a number of clear memories of him just absolutely
getting swallowed in a stretch run if he got challenged.

But its nice to see the old one still running.
Just dont crucify the horse making him go two turns.
Keep him at Belmont if you want him to run longer;
he dies turning twice.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is a 250,000 7f gift for the one turn wonder.
He is fun to watch.

But he will have to enter
a claiming race to win at two turns again.

I cant remember the race exactly but I remember
Spanish Chestnut and the other fast horse damn
I cant remember. think it was Pomeroy. Just bit
into him and he just wilted in the stretch. There
are a number of clear memories of him just absolutely
getting swallowed in a stretch run if he got challenged.

But its nice to see the old one still running.
Just dont crucify the horse making him go two turns.
Keep him at Belmont if you want him to run longer;
he dies turning twice.

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

Originally Posted by jcs11204

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

Then he will lose the Whitney
unless he faces jellyfish.

When was the last time the horse even
went two turns?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Then he will lose the Whitney
unless he faces jellyfish.

When was the last time the horse even
went two turns?

does not matter.. he is actually better suited for two turns... a lot better chance to relax early rather then get pushed through 22-44

Originally Posted by jcs11204

does not matter.. he is actually better suited for two turns... a lot better chance to relax early rather then get pushed through 22-44

If he is suited for two turns... why has it been... can you tell me the last time he went two turns? Was when he beat St. Liam? I cant remember.

Hell yes he is fast.
So are quarter horses.
I think it would be cruel running him
at two turns. Speed on the front end,
a horse that can cruise for 6f in the middle, and Commentator
is beaten by invertebrates at two turns. It would be sad.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

Just stop. He's a very good one-dimensional speed horse. That's it. I was rooting for him in the Whitney because I wasn't a Saint Liam fan, but that was then, and this is now. He's seven years old, and everyone now knows that all you have to do to beat him is enter a cheap speed horse.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Just stop. He's a very good one-dimensional speed horse. That's it. I was rooting for him in the Whitney because I wasn't a Saint Liam fan, but that was then, and this is now. He's seven years old, and everyone now knows that all you have to do to beat him is enter a cheap speed horse.

your right i guess his 2 races this year, show hes getting old, that 119 beyer is no good..... going 1 mile... track record.... he is getting old and slow

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

your right i guess his 2 races this year, show hes getting old, that 119 beyer is no good..... going 1 mile... track record.... he is getting old and slow

Yeah, he beat some real monsters in that one. Again, he's very good when he's loose on the lead, and there's no way he'll ever be that in a race of consequence again.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

a claming race ??????? to win at two turns ? are you kidding me ? do you not read, the goal is the whitney. he is being pointed to the whitney, and he's argubly the fastest horse in the world.

yeah , he beat rexsons last hope in his last race, that horse was 60-1. and that horse came back at GP to run up the track. i believe the announcer said the same crap that day . i've made alot of money betting against him. hes never been the same since the whitney victory. i laughed when he was only 7-1 in the breeders cup , he had no shot . usually when he runs up here they put him in a NY bred condition and he jogs. the minute he steps up to the the top comp hes fizzles. pyhsical problems and one dimensional running style do not make a grade 1 or 2 competitor. they will run him down every time especially if he stretches out, i don't even see that horse making a mile right now . can you say discreet cat ? theres another chump they kept hyping as the "fastest in the world".

[jcs11204]

tom durkin....

" commentator just ran a dazzling half mile here in 46.2"

" but gary stevens has something left with commentator"

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Well no kidding, but these days if you only like horses that fit that description you won't like 99.999999999% of the horses out there.

Eh, I disagree. I'd say Commentator is in the minority as a horse that quits if he doesn't get his way.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, I disagree. I'd say Commentator is in the minority as a horse that quits if he doesn't get his way.

you make it like he just quits, a lot of horses quit when they go 22-44.1 for 7 furlongs

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, I disagree.

You disagree?
You said you like horses that are "consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what." If you really have seen a lot of horses that fit that description running at a G1/G2 level in the last five years....congratulations. You have been watching a different sport than I have been.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You disagree?
You said you like horses that are "consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what." If you really have seen a lot of horses that fit that description running at a G1/G2 level in the last five years....congratulations. You have been watching a different sport than I have been.

That's the ideal horse. But in this context, I'm speaking relatively..

When I say versatile, I don't mean the horse can either go wire-to-wire or close from the clouds, a la Ghostzapper. I just mean the horse doesn't have to have everything his/her own way to run his/her race.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's the ideal horse. But in this context, I'm speaking relatively..

When I say versatile, I don't mean the horse can either go wire-to-wire or close from the clouds, a la Ghostzapper. I just mean the horse doesn't have to have everything his/her own way to run his/her race.

i like the mention of ghostzapper....
dont the number say that commentator is the fastest horse since ghostzapper ? even faster then curlin and anyone else.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i like the mention of ghostzapper....
dont the number say that commentator is the fastest horse since ghostzapper ? even faster then curlin and anyone else.

Except Ghostzapper earned his numbers against the best dirt horses in the world, as does Curlin. Commentator gets his numbers mostly against mediocre allowance horses.

Hell, Lawyer Ron earned a few huge figures, and he faced better horses than Commentator did when he did it.