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04-13-2008, 08:51 AM
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Who do you like better Cowboy Cal or Z Fortune? I like Z Fortune. I feel he was compromised by post position.
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04-13-2008, 09:17 AM
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The first 4 finishers a Oaklawn were from synthetic tracks,,,
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04-13-2008, 09:29 AM
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and what about adriano? his one start on dirt he was up the track. there are no hard and fast rules for this stuff. some horses can run on both, some can't. some can go poly to dirt but not many seem to be able to go from a good run on dirt to a good run back on poly-yankee bravo is a good example of that. then there's tiago-hasn't won a whole bunch in cali has he? but then they put him on dirt, he wins a grade two. i think pyro was at keeneland because z fortune needed the money, and a placing in a million dollar race gets him in the gate next month. pyro didn't need the money, and the bc classic later his year is on the awt. why not run him there, see what he can do?
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04-13-2008, 09:35 AM
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Tentative Arkansas Derby Beyer a 103 for Gayego and 102 for Z Fortune...
Looks outta-whack high to me..
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04-13-2008, 09:41 AM
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Borel looked high to me
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04-13-2008, 09:47 AM
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CJ,
Previous/Ark Derby.. Can't be.. Gayego: 91-103 Z Fortune: 82-102 Tres Borrachos: 83-94 Indian Sun 79-92
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04-14-2008, 10:45 AM
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I,VE PUT LESS IMPACT ON BEYERS, AND MORE BACK ON PLAIN SPEED FIGS,
THEY SEEM TO HAVE COME 180 degrees the last couple of years. the pace has also change somewhat because of breeding in the horses. Slow to slow fast to fast winners .
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04-14-2008, 11:02 AM
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Let Me Clear It Up A Little About Pace Is Changing
Iv'e Notice Slightly In The Higher Grade Races A Slow Pace Seems To Benefit Closers Nowdays, And A Fast Pace Closers Can't Keep
Up With The Horses Who Are Carrying Their Speed Farther,contrary To The Old Carve In Stone Laws Of Racing. Its Changing Very Slowly Due To Breeding Have You Notice It?
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04-13-2008, 09:45 AM
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04-13-2008, 10:55 AM
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04-13-2008, 09:46 AM
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There is something that is starting to become a rule and its "running and training on synthetics build more wind and put a better foundation in your race horse. That being said doesn't have anything to do with which surface they do thier best running on. Pyro was on poly to make sure he doesnt get hurt and give him the benifits from training on poly prior to running in the Derby. Odds are Pyro hates running on the stuff.
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04-13-2008, 12:05 PM
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i don't see how a horse can get a good work from running on poly is he's uncomfortable. he'll run differently, and most likely not extend himself. hey, if it works for some, wonderful. but it's not for everyone, that's the point i'm trying to make-and running well on one won't necessarily translate to running on the other.
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04-13-2008, 08:34 PM
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04-13-2008, 09:32 PM
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04-16-2008, 08:37 PM
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I totally agree with your reasoning as to why Assmussen went to KEE with Pyro. IMO A "fitter" colt with fresher legs heading to the Derby was his goal ... But I seriously doubt Ass was happy with 10th. I believe it was 1957 since a horse ran worse than 5th in his last prep and came back to win the KD (according to Steve Haskin on "ATR" ) Adriano had a nice race on the poly in the Lanes End. Should be running in the last 3/8ths. Handling the nuttyness of Derby Day is a huge question. My choice unless EP rides and erases all value.
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04-13-2008, 09:26 AM
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