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Old 04-13-2008, 08:17 AM
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I'll be waiting for the natural dirt result(Beyer fig) of Gayego's Ark. Derby. This may be a gauge of Colonel Jon and Bob BlackJack's possible Beyers if they had run on dirt, as these synthetic track preps all get lower Beyer speed figs, thus throwing out speed par history for these Derby contenders

A 105 Beyer in a route was attained by the majority, but not all, of past Derby winners going into the race. Only Big Brown has done that this year. Pyro and War Pas did it last year on a sloppy track, but Pyro now fails to win or be within two lengths in a mile and an eighth graded stakes. War Pass did hang on in the slow Wood Memorial to be a close second
The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:18 AM
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The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.
no, it wasn't slow. the track however.....
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:26 AM
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.

I thought the Wood Memorial was a terrible race.
but the only race that looked respectable was the Santa Anita Derby.
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.
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When I saw that Assmussen was at Oaklawn instead of Keeneland (to get his picture took with the winner of the prestigious Bluegrass stakes) I knew Pyro was a no go.

I thought the Wood Memorial was a terrible race.
but the only race that looked respectable was the Santa Anita Derby.
You weren't impressed with the Florida Derby at all?
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:42 AM
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What do the they call a doctor who finishes last in his class.... A DOCTOR.

I just want a competitive race. I didn't bet on Giacomo, but I enjoyed that derb stretch run with 5 horses having a chance in midstretch, much more than smarty Jones and Lion Heart going 1-2 all the way around or Barbaro romping.
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I gave the Blue Grass a little higher, a 95, with a pace figure of 104. The Arkansas Derby I came up with 94 and 114 pace figure.
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I gave the Blue Grass a little higher, a 95, with a pace figure of 104. The Arkansas Derby I came up with 94 and 114 pace figure.
I thought they went pretty quick early but no one except Z Fortune came running and Gayego had plenty left.

Who do you like better Cowboy Cal or Z Fortune? I like Z Fortune. I feel he was compromised by post position.
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You weren't impressed with the Florida Derby at all?
Big Brown was impressive for a 3/2 favorite but the Florida Derby was not competitve.
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Big Brown was impressive for a 3/2 favorite but the Florida Derby was not competitve.
And the SA Derby was? Honestly, this whole group has been pretty mundane. Yawn.
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The Arkansas Derby's figure isn't going to get anyone's heart racing either... Likely 95-96 or so.

And Mike, adjust your thinking away from the masses... The Wood Memorial wasn't 'slow'.


Just because the track was glib means the Wood wasn't slow? I understand that you have to hack a few seconds off of the day's times, but even on a "normal" track, I don't think they would've gone faster than 1:50 and change..
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Just because the track was glib means the Wood wasn't slow? I understand that you have to hack a few seconds off of the day's times, but even on a "normal" track, I don't think they would've gone faster than 1:50 and change..
Pace, Joe.. The pace. Just because the two top horses that were tons better than the rest came home 'slow', doesn't mean the race was slow...
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Pace, Joe.. The pace. Just because the two top horses that were tons better than the rest came home 'slow', doesn't mean the race was slow...
Do you really think that the pace on Derby Day will be any better?
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Do you really think that the pace on Derby Day will be any better?
I actually think it will be more reasonable.
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I actually think it will be more reasonable.
^^^ Ditto..
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I actually think it will be more reasonable.
Is ET Baird still riding that Illinois horse and is Bob Black Jack still wearing blinkers? Either of those are going to be bad news for the pace horses, both will be disaster.
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Old 04-14-2008, 08:27 AM
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I actually think it will be more reasonable.
Craig, I know you are busy with a lot of other stuff going on, but wondering about the conjecture about the pace of the Derby. If it is not too much trouble, I would be interested in seeing your pace figures for the last few
(10) Derbies to see how they compare with this years prep races and whether they support or refute Steve and your thoughts about the Wood.

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I don't have time to look them up right now, but if you go to my site and check the Breeder's Cup Archives, I imagine at least one Derby runner is in there most years.
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