West Point/Violette finished

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Took them too long

why is that ?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

why is that ?

Because Violette doesn't win.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Because Violette doesn't win.

i dont have his stats in front of me, but i am pretty sure whenever i am looking at a form or any pp's the guy is normaly around 23 percent, thats not winning ?

[The Bid]

WP has one more trainer change they need to make to be successful. This was a good move. Took them far too long

No JCC, he never wins when hes supposed. He has good horses and consistantly chokes. He basically sucks

[cmorioles]

He is about 15% this year.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by The Bid

WP has one more trainer change they need to make to be successful. This was a good move. Took them far too long

No JCC, he never wins when hes supposed. He has good horses and consistantly chokes. He basically sucks

i am drawing a blank on who jcc is ?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i am drawing a blank on who jcc is ?

it's you-a typo with the second 'c'

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's you-a typo with the second 'c'

ok but still who is it ?>

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Because Violette doesn't win.

Compared to whom? If memory serves me, he won two grade one's (Dream Rush) and a grade two (High Finance) for these connections last year. I don't have statistics in front of me, but Violette's strike rate over the past few years has consistently been between 15-20%. It's comments like these that reinforce the erroneous perception that there are only a handful of trainers that know what to do with a decent horse.

[the_fat_man]

I for one am a HUGE supporter of Violette. It seems that he has taught all his horses the art of the SUCKUP. Yeah, being able to suckup, while taking alot of money, and still not winning as many of these races as the SUCKUP might indicate, is a sign of a very good trainer.

I might be wrong but I believe he still has Klaravich on board. I mean, Klaravich has to be just about the worst at picking horses out there. They buy 'em, Violette teaches them how to suckup, while sucking up the public's money, and they still can't win. But they're all hyped.

Could you image Lear's Princess in this dude's hands? Enough said.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Could you image Lear's Princess in this dude's hands? Enough said.

Hasn't Lear's Princess run last in two of her last three starts in McLaughlin's hands? He couldn't do any worse, I suppose.

[the_fat_man]

Last I checked, she ran Dreaming of Ana to a nose, when that one had it all her own way on the front end, and, most recently, 4th behind DoA on a yielding course.

On the other hand, Titan of Industry, has burned up alot of money sucking up behind REAL horses on the turf. Oh, wait, he did beat that STELLAR maiden field at 8:5, didn't he?

But, personally, the race that sticks out in my mind when it comes to Violette is
Immortal Eyes against The Leopard, sprinting at SAR. IE had everything his own way and quit like a PUNK just before the wire.


Nothing personal with RV. KM is certainly a much better trainer.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Last I checked, she ran Dreaming of Ana to a nose, when that one had it all her own way on the front end, and, most recently, 4th behind DoA on a yielding course.

On the other hand, Titan of Industry, has burned up alot of money sucking up behind REAL horses on the turf. Oh, wait, he did beat that STELLAR maiden field at 8:5, didn't he?

But, personally, the race that sticks out in my mind when it comes to Violette is
Immortal Eyes against The Leopard, sprinting at SAR. IE had everything his own way and quit like a PUNK just before the wire.


Nothing personal with RV. KM is certainly a much better trainer.

I stand corrected on Dreaming of Anna. You're correct, she was 4th of 6 at 4-5 (sucking up, to use your term, huge $$) at Tampa in last.

I don't get the Immortal Eyes/The Leopard example. You're knocking the guy for having his $200K Greatness colt lose to a $2.5 million Storm Cat (who subsequently won a stake - I know it was on turf - and who happened to be the highest-priced 2YO sold in-training in 2007).

In short, the point is not whether KM is a better trainer than RV. I was responding to a quote that said Violette was fired "because he doesn't win." I just don't think that statement is accurate.

[VOL JACK]

Will be interesting to see what will become of Saratoga Russell, now that hes in the hands of KMc.
In defense of RV, hes done better with the west point stock than their Kentucky/ fair grounds trainer.