Cleveland Indians

[Mortimer]

I have a correction.

Sabbathia left two runners on when yanked....and both scored.So he gave up NINE earned runs!!...in just THREE innings!!








I'd like to see MainCourse wiggle out of stinky-poo for that colossally inept performance.





But CC's era is still under 12.




Fine work.

[Mortimer]

Well it's been great typing with all you Chatty Cathy's.



Let's play it for BlackBerryBilly tomorrow:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8dq9NodWDY

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

I have a correction.

Sabbathia left two runners on when yanked....and both scored.So he gave up NINE earned runs!!...in just THREE innings!!








I'd like to see MainCourse wiggle out of stinky-poo for that colossally inept performance.





But CC's era is still under 12.




Fine work.

I can't. He has been dreadfully abysmal this year...yes stinky-poo. Unless he's hurt, I really don't think he's a 12 ERA pitcher. He obviously will fall a bit from what he did last year, but I think he'll be better in his starts as the year goes on. Can you really do worse than 12 hits and 9 earned runs in 3 plus innings?? I still think you're looking at 12-16 wins and a near 4 ERA for the fat guy this year. And that will be ok.

(Although you may have a point about his head-case-dom...he certainly helped them get INTO post season last year, but once there was not the same pitcher...of course neither was Carmona minus one bug game...but if he is that mental...this is contract year...each start like today and his massive pay-day drops and drops. And that could affect him and will. I still think he'll revert at least to pre-2005 form at worst.) Overall I think he's a good guy (I don't think he ever had chosen one status in Cleveland!! Don't remember visages of the fat man on downtown skyscrapers!!). Minus his rookie year when it was the last of their original Jacobs field glory years, he pitched for a lot of bad teams and never complained at all and was extremely, extremely good from the 2nd half of 2005 through last year. Been a really good player in Cleveland. I just can't massacre good players in the town as you guys do.

[Mortimer]

Someone takes their sports much too seriously.


I could let it go if he typed some opinions making sense.For instance...CC has always been far too fragile upstairs;anyone with common sense knew that 2 to 3 years ago.

If elitist supporters of these elitist games do not follow.....perhaps they should drop back with the myspacers of the world and admit to all their doorknobbery.

[Mortimer]

W L PCT GB POS WC
2007 Cleveland Indians AL C 96 66 .593 -- 1
2006 Cleveland Indians AL C 78 84 .481 18.0 4
2005 Cleveland Indians AL C 93 69 .574 6.0 2
2004 Cleveland Indians AL C 80 82 .494 12.0 3
2003 Cleveland Indians AL C 68 94 .420 22.0 4
2002 Cleveland Indians AL C 74 88 .457 20.5 3
2001 Cleveland Indians AL C 91 71 .562

So Mr. MainCourse would like you to think ,other than 2001 and 2007, CC played on some really bad tams.

You be the judge how bad those teams were in those years.I might add CC continued to disappoint every year in that time frame offered by MainCourse...some of those years he wasn't even the best pitcher on the team.


Nice guy...so was Thome until it came time to use his popularity against the team so as to build out the highest possible contract squeeze he could....where ever that came from.

But at least Thome did not fragment in that last year.

He's a good to very good starting pitcher. His head keeps him from becoming an elite guy.

[The Bid]

Hes certainly not as good as he thinks he is.

[Mortimer]

Well ya know,Bid,I think he has $150,000,000 over 7 or 8 years...or more.....dancing in his head. 90 over 5 just wasn't his thing. Now...realizing he needs another last year to get that or a great year to get even more-----he is now in full spazz.


Predictable.



We got Lofton to solve the left field problem last year.

Now we have decided to start the year with the same problem.

We decided FG was a young guy to stick with in right.They stuck with him for about 8 games. That's the Indians braindust at work again. San Diego lifted Kusmanoff from us and liked him..started him at 3rd. Stuck with over one month at .130. Look at his final numbers. That's what happens when you stick with a guy you believe in.Leftfield is where Wedgie sticks with 2 guys for no apparent reason.

There was some good fortune at work for us last year.

It doesn't appear it will strike in the same place this year.

Hafner=Baerga=BIG TROUBLE!!

[Mortimer]

Before I hear it from a certain party or parties...read my new tag line.






And save your piglet breath.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

W L PCT GB POS WC
2007 Cleveland Indians AL C 96 66 .593 -- 1
2006 Cleveland Indians AL C 78 84 .481 18.0 4
2005 Cleveland Indians AL C 93 69 .574 6.0 2
2004 Cleveland Indians AL C 80 82 .494 12.0 3
2003 Cleveland Indians AL C 68 94 .420 22.0 4
2002 Cleveland Indians AL C 74 88 .457 20.5 3
2001 Cleveland Indians AL C 91 71 .562

So Mr. MainCourse would like you to think ,other than 2001 and 2007, CC played on some really bad tams.

You be the judge how bad those teams were in those years.I might add CC continued to disappoint every year in that time frame offered by MainCourse...some of those years he wasn't even the best pitcher on the team.


Nice guy...so was Thome until it came time to use his popularity against the team so as to build out the highest possible contract squeeze he could....where ever that came from.

But at least Thome did not fragment in that last year.

He's a good to very good starting pitcher. His head keeps him from becoming an elite guy.

Fine. I prefaced after his rookie year he played on some really bad teams and never complained. Was that not true? 4 losing teams in 5 years is not playing on some really bad teams?? I stand corrected on that I guess.

17-5 4.39 ERA 1.35 WHIP 2001 91-71 good team
13-11 4.37 ERA 1.36 WHIP 2002 74-88 really bad team
13-9 3.60 ERA 1.29 WHIP 2003 68-94 really bad team
11-10 4.12 ERA 1.31 WHIP 2004 80-82 bad team
15-10 4.03 ERA 1.25 WHIP 2005 93-69 good team
12-11 3.22 ERA 1.17 WHIP 2006 78-84 bad team
19-7 3.21 ERA 1.14 WHIP 2007 96-66 really good team


I don't see bad performance anywhere...I see really good performance after the 2004 season. I see he played on 2 bad teams, 2 really bad teams, and 2 good teams after his rookie season. I don't see where I was even wrong in what I said. But I am stupid so give me some slack.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Someone takes their sports much too seriously.


I could let it go if he typed some opinions making sense.For instance...CC has always been far too fragile upstairs;anyone with common sense knew that 2 to 3 years ago.

If elitist supporters of these elitist games do not follow.....perhaps they should drop back with the myspacers of the world and admit to all their doorknobbery.

ok vincent.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

ok vincent.

^^^ Looking for instructions regarding FULL VAPORIZATION. dial setting.

[horseofcourse]

^^^^^what happens when he has zero response to my correctness. simply play smart games that the stupid can't correspond with!! and hit return a lot more....then some more.....





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then again.




(am I vaporized yet?????)

[horseofcourse]

I am completely in full vapor flames now I think. I have been shown the brilliance by vincent once again.

[Mortimer]

Let's take a closer look at this mess....shall we?


Should be fun.







Dear God...( He writes letters to God----- )you are amazing.( And brown noses Him.) It's a freaking thread on Cleveland sports!! ( ???..is it me?)Very debatable if Carmona was better than Sabathia last year.( It's not.ERA is best indicator..I'm sure you know that.) I look at innings pitched, strikeouts, WHIPS,( ) all you really have is ERA in Fausto's favor.( ) Fausto was every bit as wretched as Sabathia in the LCS last year as well...perhaps even more so.( Writers wrote how cool Carmona handled the buggy game while Yankee pitchers scratched themselves to death. This guy is really gone.) In CCs game 5 he kept them in the game against the best post season pitcher in this decade for 6 innings. In Fausto's game 6 they were out of the game in the 1st inning if I recall. So in the biggest pressure situation available, CC was in all honesty much better than Fausto. So Fausto's head too exploded on the big stage.( Again...not in the opinion of only a small LEGION of experts....the ROOKIE starter faired bettah.)

I dont' understand the restrictions of you on the threads. I dont' make those decisions. I joke about it because this is where you are. My guess is it is done because you most likely hijacked every thread that existed in the racing sections.( Resorting to racial slurs and associated trigger words.)

The only rule I am applying here is you continually rip to shreds good, prodcuctive athletes performing in Cleveland and I defend them.

Psychoanalyze all you want...but that's pretty much all that goes on in these threads.( he meant...."in my head".) I defend, you run out of ammunition and attack me. It's quite fun and I enjoy it or I wouldn't keep doing it.( Read ...death wish here.) The only time I really understand your posts at all is when you are ripping another Cleve player. The rest I honestly don't understand and your extreme cleverness is right through my head I suppose....hence my Main Course application applied by you.( Are you snarfing ,spraying out Pepsi and snorting as much as I am right now??) It is very funny.( I thought so! )

If this is honestly some test in human behavior by you, more power to you. I hope it's going quite well!! I enjoy the site because it is a lot more healthy to argue about baseball and horse racing than important things, and hence I'll always respond to your musings on Cleveland sports. ( Gee.. a direct threat made in public. Needs Darden to protect his self destructive ways.)

My Dad is dead and I live in Idaho, so my outlets for arguing Cleveland sports are not numerous.( My Father is no longer here either...but he still calls me stupid.There's nothing I can do for him about IDaHo) THese internets provide some of that for me. You are quite knowledgeable on the subject of Cleve sports without question ( This is sssso true. ) and challenge my opinions well which is why I do reply all the time. I find it invigorating...not a mental challenge ( Oh?...maybe you should . ) or human behavior laboratory.( Boy is he missing a real opportunity here. ) It's pro sports, where differing opinions are pretty much and totally meaningless and harmless. I see things a bit differently than you. I don't think that's a bad thing per se!!! ( Stop calling me Percy.)




^^^^ Has buck teeth.