Any respect for Pyro now?

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

wuh pass run slow like

duh cut vih shun no catch up

go go no timey duh targut

it makey no difrunce

No it didn't make a difference. Jesus Christ couldn't get that plodder closer to the pace. You're just a sourpuss idiot.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No it didn't make a difference. Jesus Christ couldn't get that plodder closer to the pace. You're just a sourpuss idiot.

how can I say objectively that CV's performance in the wood probably proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a non-contender any time soon for a decent race... and that a length or two better of a ride would not have mattered because the quality of the race was so poor?

Somehow I keep coming off as a sourgrapes Court Vision fanatic

you could be right, Gomez may have given him the best possible ride. Fine. Unless you think the Wood was a great race, it was a really poor performance from court vision and war pass at 1.25 lengths ahead was also a poor performance. Tale of Ekati's performance at 1.75 lengths ahead of CV was also poor unless you have some theory that "just did enough to win" and therefore "had tons left". The race sucked. Someone had to run 1st 2nd or 3rd. Rides didn't matter, trips didn't matter

[SniperSB23]

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

my guess is it will be taken almost to face value by the betting public.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.
Though I am also hoping for an off-the-board finish Saturday.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Bystander

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.
Though I am also hoping for an off-the-board finish Saturday.

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

In '07 Tiznow's numbers were about the same as Pulpit but four of his six stakes winners were on the synthetics and 35% of his earnings were on synthetics compared to only 12% for Pulpit.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

And thankfully the thread has turned from that foolishness.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

this thread was called any respect for pyro now ? i simply stated i dont respect him anymore, and that i think court vision is going to run the race of his life in the derby, at huge odds.

Anyone that watched the Wood and came out of it with the impression that Court Vision could be a factor in the Derby needs to find a new hobby.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are always exceptions but overall it hasn't been too pretty.

2008 AW - 15 runners, 2 winners, 0 Stakes Winners - 13% winners
2008 All - 71 runners, 24 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 34% winners

2007 AW - 51 runners, 17 winners, 1 Stakes Winner - 33% winners
2007 All - 145 runners, 78 winners, 10 Stakes Winners - 54% winners

Obviously one would expect more winners when all surfaces are used than just the synthetics but the difference in the numbers for Pulpit are a lot more pronounced than the difference in most other stallions and only one stakes winner is extremely weak. For instance Tiznow:

2008 AW - 26 runners, 10 winners, 2 Stakes Winners - 38% winners
2008 All - 81 runners, 23 winners, 3 Stakes Winners - 28% winners

In '07 Tiznow's numbers were about the same as Pulpit but four of his six stakes winners were on the synthetics and 35% of his earnings were on synthetics compared to only 12% for Pulpit.

as of march 29, pulpit was #2 on the leading sires list. not even on the list for synthetic tho. but he's #6 for turfers, so go figure.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Bystander

I wouldn't be so quick writing off Pulpit on synthetic. Church Service, for one, has certainly been reborn on poly.

I don't know Carla....

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know Carla....

F'off, Doug.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's Douglas to you!

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How much do people think Pyro's odds will change with an off the board finish in the Blue Grass? Pulpit's have done absolutely nothing on the synthetics so far so I'm not expecting much out of him on it. Will people really be dumb enough to dismiss him off a poor effort on the polycrap?

A couple of years ago it would have had a huge effect. Everyone is now getting accustomed to differing form on dirt and poly, so although there would certainly be some new questions, Pyro would still be one of the top 3 choices if he ran a dull 4th.