3-yr-old Eclipse Award prop at Pinnacle

[Scav]

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

[Scav]

furthermore, if you are dumb enough to make that wager, and ACTUALLY put that into the US pools, especially an Arlington pool, you need to understand how they make odds.

Lets just say that the total win pool is around 750k, a decent estimate IMO, probably less....that would mean about .33% of the pool is your wager, given the taken out, and Showing up to be about even money, that means 300k on Showing up, or almost 1% of your money on him to win....

Your costing yourself MONEY by putting that in US pools

(These numbers are for argument purposes and are quickly estimated, but some of the smarter people around here will get my point that I am trying to make)

Originally Posted by Scav

furthermore, if you are dumb enough to make that wager, and ACTUALLY put that into the US pools, especially an Arlington pool, you need to understand how they make odds.

Lets just say that the total win pool is around 750k, a decent estimate IMO, probably less....that would mean about .33% of the pool is your wager, given the taken out, and Showing up to be about even money, that means 300k on Showing up, or almost 1% of your money on him to win....

Your costing yourself MONEY by putting that in US pools

(These numbers are for argument purposes and are quickly estimated, but some of the smarter people around here will get my point that I am trying to make)

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

Yeah, that is why governments across the world legalize it

Just keep on digging the whole...We might be able to start a specific forum called "Ridiculous posts by Boldruler, a great horse, but a simple mind"

Hey bigmouth, no need to do any copying, we are going to Chicago, just not staying overnight on Saturday. If our race doesn't fill next friday at monmouth we will be there friday. If it does, we will get there saturday.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Hey bigmouth, no need to do any copying, we are going to Chicago, just not staying overnight on Saturday. If our race doesn't fill next friday at monmouth we will be there friday. If it does, we will get there saturday.

I thought you said you weren't going?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought you said you weren't going?

cajun, many people believe that if you always tell the truth, there's nothing to keep track of, nothing you have to remember saying or not saying.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought you said you weren't going?

We weren't going because there is a sale on the same day at Saratoga, but I have nothing to do with it and my friends brother says he rather go to Chicago because he has nothing to do with it either. He isn't as friendly with the owners as his brother but his dad is probably going to come too to see a friend of theirs from Lake Forest. He is a student at Hofstra but he really isn't a horse business guy like his brother, but he likes to gamble and he basically lives at Belmont in the morning. He is trying to start his own sheet, with picks, although the three he gave me today didn't do so well.

[whorstman]

Bernardini is the flava o the month right now. If he's solid the next few outings, he'll get-r-done.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

Might be the dumbest quote of the year.

[Danzig]

lol
jjp, you evidently haven't read much 'bold'. you'd be used to it by now.

Originally Posted by Scav

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

Sorry you are a compulsive gambler but there is nothing I can do to help you. I no longer gamble offshore because horse owners have told me that it is basically stealing money from the purses. I am not about to make my bets and run off to the Kinkos in downtown. I will gladly find somebody here that will be at Saratoga next weekend. I think after I meet them next Sunday or Monday morning or at the sales you will finally get the answer why I root for the Lael horses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Sorry you are a compulsive gambler but there is nothing I can do to help you. I no longer gamble offshore because horse owners have told me that it is basically stealing money from the purses. I am not about to make my bets and run off to the Kinkos in downtown. I will gladly find somebody here that will be at Saratoga next weekend. I think after I meet them next Sunday or Monday morning or at the sales you will finally get the answer why I root for the Lael horses.

if your the man you can surely prove EVERYONE wrong and scan them, 10 minutes of your time for people to stop harassing you and PROVE your point

And forget the pity party about stealing money from the purses, the takeouts are ABSORBANT and ridiculous

Don't really care why you root for Lael Horses either, you could be Roy Jackson for all I care, wouldn't impress me one bit, ESPECIALLY with how you act around here...

[hockey2315]

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Hockey, sorry for the bickering part, fact is that I am sick of this guy. You might be on to something with the above

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Showing Up has nothing to really do with it. He is an exceptional grass horse but just an ok dirt horse. What might have something to do with it is the success of George Washington in the BC Mile. The Jacksons could get the breeders of the year, which would make the voters feel like they gave them something for Barbaro. Bernardini is likely the 3yr old of the year if he wins the Travers simply because most voters think he is a better horse, which he might just be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Bernardini is likely the 3yr old of the year if he wins the Travers simply because most voters think he is a better horse, which he might just be.

they do??? you already know what most voters think? lol

yeah, SURE.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

they do??? you already know what most voters think? lol

yeah, SURE.

That's what I was wondering...you have been in touch with most of the voters personally and they have told you that is what they think??

[Danzig]

flower alley ran second in the bcc and won the travers, alex still got the vote.
now, of course bernardini won a classic, that's in his favor. but i feel he would have to win out the year to get 3 yo honors. second in the bcc wasn't enough in years past, it won't be this year either.

look at war emblem for instance....he won once after the preakness, was abysmal in the bcc, still got the eclipse. came home beat older, mdo finished second in the bcc--fat lot of good it did either of them.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

flower alley ran second in the bcc and won the travers, alex still got the vote.
now, of course bernardini won a classic, that's in his favor. but i feel he would have to win out the year to get 3 yo honors. second in the bcc wasn't enough in years past, it won't be this year either.

look at war emblem for instance....he won once after the preakness, was abysmal in the bcc, still got the eclipse. came home beat older, mdo finished second in the bcc--fat lot of good it did either of them.

I don't buy the comparisons, Danzig. Flower Alley did not win a TC race, and ran unimpressively in the Derby. That's very different from a Bernardini who won a TC race by major daylight and is undefeated.

I was no War Emblem fan, but he did win 2 TC races, and had an excuse in the Belmont after falling on his nose at the start. Came Home was also poor in the BCC, if I remember correctly. I think MDO just didn't win enough races, but I'd have to go back to check on that.

IMO, if Bernardini wins everything up to the BCC, he does not have to win the BCC to get the 3-yr-old Eclipse. In fact, if I believed otherwise, I'd be all over the Barbaro side of that Pinnacle bet. The chance of Bernardini winning out from here is much much less than even money.

--Dunbar