KnS 4-1 entries

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Therein lies the rub...

I'm just enjoying getting him riled up more than usual lately. Notice he shut up after you agreed with me about Velez being better than Centeno on the grass.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

I'm just enjoying getting him riled up more than usual lately. Notice he shut up after you agreed with me about Velez being better than Centeno on the grass.

I didn't shut up hilarious guy, I am quiet because I can't even respond to the utter stupidity of Velez being better then Centeno, at anything.

Centeno needs to bring his ass to Arlington and ride her this summer, the first month with him riding should bring me and some others an armored truck with bags o' cash....

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Scav

I didn't shut up hilarious guy, I am quiet because I can't even respond to the utter stupidity of Velez being better then Centeno, at anything.

Centeno needs to bring his ass to Arlington and ride her this summer, the first month with him riding should bring me and some others an armored truck with bags o' cash....

Scavs, he better hope that he can convince Jamie Ness to go with him, and bring his mounts along.
Centeno's numbers are grossly over inflated based on Ness' 40%+ win rate. Believe me, it ain't the jock.

Rosemary is head and shoulders better than him, she rides to the wire EVERY time....If DC feels like he can't win he flat gives up on the horse, never even vying for a place position. He's an owner's nightmare and a lot of trainers won't use him because of this. I'd like to see what he can do in Arlington Park - I have as pretty strong suspicion that he'll get eaten alive.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Scavs, he better hope that he can convince Jamie Ness to go with him, and bring his mounts along.
Centeno's numbers are grossly over inflated based on Ness' 40%+ win rate. Believe me, it ain't the jock.

Rosemary is head and shoulders better than him, she rides to the wire EVERY time....If DC feels like he can't win he flat gives up on the horse, never even vying for a place position. He's an owner's nightmare and a lot of trainers won't use him because of this. I'd like to see what he can do in Arlington Park - I have as pretty strong suspicion that he'll get eaten alive.

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

a million of you Tampa bozos could tell me that Velez is better then Centeno and I AINT LISTENING. Complete and utter insanity.

Ness will be at Arlington this summer, he has only invaded before, but he has stalls at Hawthorne, which makes me think he is enroute to Arlington.

Bigs, is Pre-K the trendy thing to call it now? I went to friggin Pre-school, not pre-k...

Forget that she can add, turning a profit is the most important math equation...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by GPK

Dan...You are an astute race watcher...especially at Tampa. Who is better on the grass there, Centeno or Velez?

Sorry Tom, Velez is better on the turf:

Tampa Bay Downs Standings - Through April 1, 2008

Turf Course Jockeys

Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Win% ITM%
Daniel Centeno 114 25 20 15 21.9 52.6
Jose A. Velez, Jr. 104 25 13 12 24.0 48.1
Carlos Montalvo 94 14 11 15 14.9 42.6
Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr. 85 12 15 9 14.1 42.4
Dean P. Butler 59 7 4 6 11.9 28.8
Pablo Morales 63 5 9 12 7.9 41.3
Luis A. Gonzalez 61 5 8 12 8.2 41.0
Jose C. Ferrer 32 5 4 2 15.6 34.4
Joseph Rocco, Jr. 24 5 3 1 20.8 37.5
Pedro L. Cotto, Jr. 39 5 2 6 12.8 33.3
Tammi Piermarini 51 4 7 4 7.8 29.4
Ronald D. Allen, Jr. 27 4 3 2 14.8 33.3
Juan D. Lopez 28 3 4 2 10.7 32.1
Willie Martinez 46 3 4 1 6.5 17.4
Jose E. Lopez 21 3 1 0 14.3 19.0
Mike Allen 22 2 2 2 9.1 27.3
Federico Mata 38 2 2 2 5.3 15.8
Jesse J. Garcia 19 2 2 1 10.5 26.3
Irwin J. Rosendo 20 2 1 2 10.0 25.0
David Cardoso 16 2 1 1 12.5 25.0
Clifford D. Dooley 37 2 0 3 5.4 13.5
Cornelio H. Velasquez 4 2 0 1 50.0 75.0
Daniel Coa 4 2 0 0 50.0 50.0
Tom G. Turner 11 2 0 0 18.2 18.2
Jose R. Martinez, Jr. 32 1 4 2 3.1 21.9
Yamil Rosario 29 1 2 0 3.4 10.3
David D. Amiss 28 1 1 2 3.6 14.3
Rafael Medina, Jr. 9 1 1 1 11.1 33.3
Regina Sealock 5 1 1 0 20.0 40.0
Edgar S. Prado 1 1 0 0 100.0 100.0
Jose Lezcano 2 1 0 0 50.0 50.0
John R. Velazquez 3 1 0 0 33.3 33.3
Andrew R. Ramgeet 51 0 5 11 0.0 31.4
Luis R. Rivera, Jr. 12 0 3 0 0.0 25.0
Vernon Bush 22 0 2 5 0.0 31.8
Huber Villa-Gomez 31 0 2 3 0.0 16.1
Pedro Gonzalez 18 0 2 2 0.0 22.2
Ernesto Oro 6 0 2 1 0.0 50.0
Winston A. Thompson 39 0 1 6 0.0 17.9
Dante Scocca 2 0 1 1 0.0 100.0
Wilmer Galviz 5 0 1 1 0.0 40.0
Charles W. Forrest 9 0 1 1 0.0 22.2
Craig P. Faine 12 0 1 1 0.0 16.7
Cecilio Penalba 2 0 1 0 0.0 50.0
Hector Q. Rodriguez 3 0 1 0 0.0 33.3
Eibar Coa 4 0 1 0 0.0 25.0
Deudis Pena-Mora 9 0 1 0 0.0 11.1
Janio Cruz 11 0 1 0 0.0 9.1
Chin C. Yang 8 0 0 2 0.0 25.0
Travis L. Dunkelberger 1 0 0 1 0.0 100.0
Garrett K. Gomez 2 0 0 1 0.0 50.0
Hector Salazar 6 0 0 1 0.0 16.7
Tamay B. Alpander 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Sergio Banda 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Kerry Bryan 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Omar Camejo 3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Kendry Castillo 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jorge F. Chavez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Alfredo Clemente 17 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Emanuel Cosme 5 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Chris Creary 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Manoel R. Cruz 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Braulio Fernandez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Enrique Garcia 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Luis A. Garcia 3 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Wesley Henry, Sr. 8 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Angel Iturrez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Gilberto Laiz 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Robert C. Landry 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Gerardo Martin 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Glenmore W. Mayhew 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jean C. Medina 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Sally Mitchellhill 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jorge A. Monserrate, Jr. 6 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Pedro Monterrey, Jr. 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Leroy Nelson 5 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Eduardo O. Nunez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Luca Panici 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Camilo D. Pitty 2 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Martin R. Ramirez 4 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jose L. Rivera, Jr. 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Jeffrey Sanchez 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0
Elvis Trujillo 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Sorry Tom, Velez is better on the turf:

Tampa Bay Downs Standings - Through April 1, 2008

Turf Course Jockeys

Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Win% ITM%
Daniel Centeno 114 25 20 15 21.9 52.6
Jose A. Velez, Jr. 104 25 13 12 24.0 48.1

Same amount of wins, ok, but 7 more 2nds, and 3 more 3rds, and his the board at almost 5% more, so how does your argument where he quits riding when he can't win hold water?

Velez ALSO gets the benefit of riding the nut Clement horses and Proctor horses. I COULD WIN RACES ON THESE Horses at Tampa. You put Centeno on these horses and he is winning at 30% on the lawn.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Scav

Same amount of wins, ok, but 7 more 2nds, and 3 more 3rds, and his the board at almost 5% more, so how does your argument where he quits riding when he can't win hold water?

Velez ALSO gets the benefit of riding the nut Clement horses and Proctor horses. I COULD WIN RACES ON THESE Horses at Tampa. You put Centeno on these horses and he is winning at 30% on the lawn.

Nut Clement horses?!? - he's had a paultry 22 mounts this meet with a 13.6% win rate

Proctor has had only 87 starts and sits at a realistic 17.2% compared to Ness' 153 starts (nearly double Proctor's) @ 35.3% -but there's nothing going on there, we just witness greatness every day here at Tampa

You take Centeno off Ness's "superbly trained" horses and he's barely wiping his own asz here...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Was far afield of the topic at hand..

BS Steve. It was 100% on TOPIC for the time and part of the thread.

1) I was responding to the Velez vs Centeno

2) I was responding to Ness coming to Arlington

3) I was responding about Big's little girls math skills.

WTF, how is that off topic?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Kasept

That series of interchange was far afield of the topic at hand..

Wow.

There have been much worse thread hijackings (if you want to call those posts hijackings) than this around here lately.