How good is Big Brown?

Originally Posted by Danzig

i do have a question tho.

i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.
I remember thinking I wanted him to walk it out, not just sit and do an interview.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

You're in rare form tonight, Chuck.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You're in rare form tonight, Chuck.

I watched No Country for Old Men tonight and the 457 killings are affecting me.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I watched No Country for Old Men tonight and the 457 killings are affecting me.

Is that wicked or what?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others. Reminded of me of
my own dry heaving after excessive exertion after a race.
Ya just dont want to sit there. My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others.

You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

I laughed...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I laughed...

More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Good lord .....

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More interesting would be the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow. He keeps winning like this he will be borrowing suits from Hank Goldberg

Has he (RD) gotten considerably larger in the past few years??? .....perhaps an overexposure to steroids??

[Riot]

i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?

I just watched the replay (again - free on Bloodhorse TCM page, guys) - he didn't weave at all.

He came off the turn 3 wide - and he drove down the center of the track. He came out about 1 path more to a left whip, then the jock took him down to the rail, where he stayed.

Smooth Air is still impressive. More so. Bloodhorse says both are definitely in the Derby. Feet allegedly fine on Big Brown.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

You missed the thread.
Dutrow had some other horses mentioned
by some other posters that looked very good winning
implying that this was per usual... that they could run
all day.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move. but most
of the animals I have seen up close, are not what we would call
superior runners. And I have seen interview done live on the horses
with the jock where the horses looked like they could do it all again.

Big brown did not look like he was ready for another ala Ernie Banks.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I have seen plenty of horses coming home looking like drunken
sailors and not breathing like that. did you watch the interview
while the horse had to sit there? He needed to move.

Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

i always roll my eyes a bit at the 'he wouldn't blow out a match' line after a hard race.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yeah, I watched the video... he was blowing hard like most horses do after they run lights out. Did he need to be walked out and cooled down? I think the answer to that should be an obvious YES.

I have seen horses run lights at longer distances
that walk around proudly shaking the head still galloping.
Thats all I am saying. He obviously ran very hard. The winning
bravado that some horses display after blowing a field away
was not there. So it was not an effortless
journey by a vastly superior horse. Thats what I mean.
He won by open lengths, he was not chased down.
So it is important to me that it was not a piece of
cake effort for him even though he decimated the field.

Had Big Brown galloped out fully shaking his head asking
for more I would have been totally amazed.

When I saw those fractions coming up I was certain
he was dead meat. I was so wrong.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

He only had two workouts all year prior to his return race ....

Being that far behind on seasoning, and running fast early and winning a fast paced 9 furlong race in blowout fashion....he had every right to get tired in the late stages and after the race.

He'd be from another planet if he wasn't a little tired.