NCAA basketball "sleepers"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Clark has the NBA body.

I wonder where Augustin is rated?
As a point you got to be able to harass
the opposition PG in the NBA and he is definitely
not up to that. And its not like you can put
him on the 6'7" nonscorer on the opposition,
he is not big enough or athletic enough.
Reminds me a bit of Jameer Nelson.

I downgrade Augustin because of his D.

Please dont go.

Augistin is ranked 10th. There are only about 5 or 6 point guards (Billips, Paul, Williams, Kidd, Davis, Nash) that he couldnt guard well in the NBA and most of them arent guardable by the rest of the league either. Point guard is probably the least important defensive position in the NBA as evidenced by Steve Nash's 2 NBA MVP's despite grading as a weak defensive player.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Augistin is ranked 10th. There are only about 5 or 6 point guards (Billips, Paul, Williams, Kidd, Davis, Nash) that he couldnt guard well in the NBA and most of them arent guardable by the rest of the league either. Point guard is probably the least important defensive position in the NBA as evidenced by Steve Nash's 2 NBA MVP's despite grading as a weak defensive player.

But Augustin is tiny compared to all those guys
except Nash. And I dont think Augustin is close
to Nash offensively or ever will be.

I guess thats why I like Rhondo on Boston and Parker.
They play D. Jacque Vaughn would have never found
himself on the Spurs if did not play D. I dont think he
would be in the league as a backup with any team if
he did not play D. Its why Staudamire rides the pine now.
But thats the Spurs.

Coach pgardn does not like PG's that dont play D.

Augustin's momma is a teacher.
Maybe she will hold him back.
Please God...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

But Augustin is tiny compared to all those guys
except Nash. And I dont think Augustin is close
to Nash offensively or ever will be.

I guess thats why I like Rhondo on Boston and Parker.
They play D. Jacque Vaughn would have never found
himself on the Spurs if did not play D. I dont think he
would be in the league as a backup with any team if
he did not play D. Its why Staudamire rides the pine now.
But thats the Spurs.

Coach pgardn does not like PG's that dont play D.

Augustin's momma is a teacher.
Maybe she will hold him back.
Please God...

You dont think it has more to do with Stoudamire's shot selection or refusal to pass? He has always been a shoot first gunner, what did they expect? Defense is far down the importance list of NBA PG's. Taking care of the ball, transition scoring and keeping the ball distributed to the scorers is most important. Augustin is fast, can pass and shoot. If he can limit turnovers and make good decisions he will do fine. Of course no other position depends on teammates for success as pg. Rebounders can get boards regardless of teammates, defensive stoppers and scorers are more individual players. He is better than at least 1/2 of the pg's in the NBA right now. And that's being conservative.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You dont think it has more to do with Stoudamire's shot selection or refusal to pass? He has always been a shoot first gunner, what did they expect? Defense is far down the importance list of NBA PG's. Taking care of the ball, transition scoring and keeping the ball distributed to the scorers is most important. Augustin is fast, can pass and shoot. If he can limit turnovers and make good decisions he will do fine. Of course no other position depends on teammates for success as pg. Rebounders can get boards regardless of teammates, defensive stoppers and scorers are more individual players. He is better than at least 1/2 of the pg's in the NBA right now. And that's being conservative.

Stoudamire has been given the green light to shoot at that time. He has not refused to pass, he cant get a grip on the offense. Barry was out, Parker gone at the time, Finely shooting very poorly from 3 land.
The question for me is why does the NBA champs have a guy (Vaughn) playing backup that really does not do anything you want out of a PG. Besides play very good defense (my preference).
Coach pgardn likes PG's that can harass and run a team.
Augistin has shown no ability to do the first. Thats why
I would take Rose over him. And Rhondo.

Your MVP suggestion, Chris Paul, is a wonderful help and
on the ball defender. And I will bet you Augistin does not
remain a starter his first year in the NBA. The position is too
difficult. If he does. I have underrated him vastly.
(Please dont go DJ)

BTW. Durant has found his way to the basket. He is actually
shooting FT's and his field goal % has gone up. Imagine that
connection.


I like PG's that play D also.
Coach Pop and myself.
We like the D.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Stoudamire has been given the green light to shoot at that time. He has not refused to pass, he cant get a grip on the offense. Barry was out, Parker gone at the time, Finely shooting very poorly from 3 land.
The question for me is why does the NBA champs have a guy (Vaughn) playing backup that really does not do anything you want out of a PG. Besides play very good defense (my preference).
Coach pgardn likes PG's that can harass and run a team.
Augistin has shown no ability to do the first. Thats why
I would take Rose over him. And Rhondo.

Your MVP suggestion, Chris Paul, is a wonderful help and
on the ball defender. And I will bet you Augistin does not
remain a starter his first year in the NBA. The position is too
difficult. If he does. I have underrated him vastly.
(Please dont go DJ)

BTW. Durant has found his way to the basket. He is actually
shooting FT's and his field goal % has gone up. Imagine that
connection.


I like PG's that play D also.
Coach Pop and myself.
We like the D.

Vaughn is a ok 12 minute a game guy because he knows his limitations, doesnt force the issue or take bad shots and accepts his role.
Rose is a better prospect but that is not a secret. He can be a better player than Rondo. Augustin may not start depending on the team that drafts him but that doesnt mean he wont develop into a good player.

Stoudamire hasnt grasped an offense that doesnt call for him to shoot at will since he smoked his first joint (a long time ago)