A true stiffing

[ArlJim78]

scuds, the horse you're obsessing on from the SA sixth yesterday was probably not going to win that race, REGARDLESS of the riding tactics.
To me that horse was clearly not quite up to the level of several of the others. Maybe coming from off the pace the horse would have been closer, but a winner? imo no way.

I'm not saying it wasn't a decent shot to take at the price, but you act once again as if the ride alone is to blame for your loss. In all honestly I feel that you should just take most of the blame yourself for making the wrong play. Its okay to say that because everyone is wrong about something in this game the majority of the time.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

scuds, the horse you're obsessing on from the SA sixth yesterday was probably not going to win that race, REGARDLESS of the riding tactics.
To me that horse was clearly not quite up to the level of several of the others. Maybe coming from off the pace the horse would have been closer, but a winner? imo no way.

I'm not saying it wasn't a decent shot to take at the price, but you act once again as if the ride alone is to blame for your loss. In all honestly I feel that you should just take most of the blame yourself for making the wrong play. Its okay to say that because everyone is wrong about something in this game the majority of the time.

I ignore your stuff almost always.It's all the same type stuff.It's the contrarian high school teacher type stuff.Just like this time.I read it,but just ignore it,because I know the guy who wrote it is simply out to disagree with other players.Same as before,watch the horse's next race.Nobody knows for sure what would of happened if he got a rate or stalk trip.It's a bad post.I already said he may have lost with a troubled trip.I don't play crap for singles.Look at the next leg single.He scored at 10-1.They (the singles) usually are very live.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I ignore your stuff almost always.It's all the same type stuff.It's the contrarian high school teacher type stuff.Just like this time.I read it,but just ignore it,because I know the guy who wrote it is simply out to disagree with other players.Same as before,watch the horse's next race.Nobody knows for sure what would of happened if he got a rate or stalk trip.It's a bad post.I already said he may have lost with a troubled trip.I don't play crap for singles.Look at the next leg single.He scored at 10-1.They (the singles) usually are very live.

well at least you have an open mind.
since when is disagreeing with other players not part of this game?

my posts are all the same type of stuff? umm, you might want to look in the mirror fellow. your rants on conspiracies, bad rides, and cheating trainers are so tiresome and predictably lame.

contrarian high school teacher stuff? whatever. the very act of trying to find value is a contrarian type of thinking.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

well at least you have an open mind.
since when is disagreeing with other players not part of this game?

my posts are all the same type of stuff? umm, you might want to look in the mirror fellow. your rants on conspiracies, bad rides, and cheating trainers are so tiresome and predictably lame.

contrarian high school teacher stuff? whatever. the very act of trying to find value is a contrarian type of thinking.

You're predictably contrarian.The only thing unusual about your post about YMUSTICAHASETHECAT is that you didn't say the winner was your top choice in the race.That would be your normal way.I want to know something.You are so sure that none of these horses ever get bad rides.I got to know something.

Anita 12-30-07 RACE 7 .....Yasinisi......Close to the wire,..Doesn't Solis just hand 3rd place in a stakes to Bejarano?

A bad ride and a stiff are very different
things. I thought stiff meant intent to hold
a horse back from winning or intentionally
producing a poor performance from a horse.

How the heck do you get that out of that ride.
You can call it whatever, but a stiff?
If you play this game and can clearly call that
a stiff you dont have the temprament to handle
all the crap that can happen.

[The Bid]

2hot4tv these guys are talking about a different race.

As far as your comment goes I dont think you realize the race was 1 1/4. You dont think those are honest fractions going 1 1/4 miles.

Again, the ride was absolutely criminal. It was a stiff job, a butcher job, a bad ride, its whatever you want to call it. Its the best horse getting beat when hes rolling by at the 16th pole with all the momentum. Its Talamoses taking a visable measure to his inside and not finishing his ride, Talamoses being a fool.

I call it a stiff job because the best horse was beaten and never should have been. Its stiffing the public, the trainer, the owner, its brutal. There is no excuse for a ride like that and he should be fined, and given days.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

2hot4tv these guys are talking about a different race.

As far as your comment goes I dont think you realize the race was 1 1/4. You dont think those are honest fractions going 1 1/4 miles.

Again, the ride was absolutely criminal. It was a stiff job, a butcher job, a bad ride, its whatever you want to call it. Its the best horse getting beat when hes rolling by at the 16th pole with all the momentum. Its Talamoses taking a visable measure to his inside and not finishing his ride, Talamoses being a fool.

I call it a stiff job because the best horse was beaten and never should have been. Its stiffing the public, the trainer, the owner, its brutal. There is no excuse for a ride like that and he should be fined, and given days.

I have no dog in this fight, but after having watched the replay a few times now...that statement in bold hits the nail on the head. In no way, shape or form did Joe T finish riding the horse to the wire.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're predictably contrarian.The only thing unusual about your post about YMUSTICAHASETHECAT is that you didn't say the winner was your top choice in the race.That would be your normal way.I want to know something.You are so sure that none of these horses ever get bad rides.I got to know something.

Anita 12-30-07 RACE 7 .....Yasinisi......Close to the wire,..Doesn't Solis just hand 3rd place in a stakes to Bejarano?

I didn't mention anything about my choice because first of all, i didn't play that day, so I didn't wager, and secondly that wasn't the point. I saw your post touting the horse, looked at the field and yes looked at my ratings, and thought to myself that this horse was going to have trouble. the field was competitive and deep relatively speaking for that horse. I only commented when I saw that your only take on the result was to bash the ride.
by the way, where did I ever say that riders never give bad rides? of course they do but its an overrated angle imo, and I see many times when people are quick to point out microscopic issues about a ride when the ride wouldn't have made much difference which I feel is the case here.

For the record while I didn't play the race my ratings had it like this;
1 Forest Danz, 2 Specialist Morgen, 3 Iza General, 4 Indian Weaver, 5 Jacobs Profit, 6 I'll Prey for You, 7 Ymustichasethecat, 8 A Stare and me, 9 Escalante. The public had it about the same way, but it was wrong nonetheless having to go six deep to find the winner.

looking at bris speed figures, the winner of that race was given a 90. The winner had a lifetime best number of 102.

on the other hand, ymustichasethecat's lifetime best is only 89. the previous win earned him an 86 and yesterday he earned an 85 meaning that although the pace was distributed a little differently, the end result was right in line with the previous effort. It would have taken a lifetime best from him to have scored yesterday.

to me its illogical to skip over facts like this and instead come up with such insightful comments as "Chantal!!! ugghh".

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I didn't mention anything about my choice because first of all, i didn't play that day, so I didn't wager, and secondly that wasn't the point. I saw your post touting the horse, looked at the field and yes looked at my ratings, and thought to myself that this horse was going to have trouble. the field was competitive and deep relatively speaking for that horse. I only commented when I saw that your only take on the result was to bash the ride.
by the way, where did I ever say that riders never give bad rides? of course they do but its an overrated angle imo, and I see many times when people are quick to point out microscopic issues about a ride when the ride wouldn't have made much difference which I feel is the case here.

For the record while I didn't play the race my ratings had it like this;
1 Forest Danz, 2 Specialist Morgen, 3 Iza General, 4 Indian Weaver, 5 Jacobs Profit, 6 I'll Prey for You, 7 Ymustichasethecat, 8 A Stare and me, 9 Escalante. The public had it about the same way, but it was wrong nonetheless having to go six deep to find the winner.

looking at bris speed figures, the winner of that race was given a 90. The winner had a lifetime best number of 102.

on the other hand, ymustichasethecat's lifetime best is only 89. the previous win earned him an 86 and yesterday he earned an 85 meaning that although the pace was distributed a little differently, the end result was right in line with the previous effort. It would have taken a lifetime best from him to have scored yesterday.

to me its illogical to skip over facts like this and instead come up with such insightful comments as "Chantal!!! ugghh".

I think it's illogical to ignore the horse's style,and duel on the lead(he has failed 3 times, atleast, with this method.) The horse can win at this same level in a couple weeks.Makes no sense to talk about his chances yesterday,because she put him in a position he doesn't like (dueling.)I flatly disagree with anybody who ignores a horse's style ,and thinks they are gunna run some figure no matter where they are placed in a race.I guess if we were all such believers in figures then we would have gone with the 1st 2 horses you had rated.They are out of form,but hey,they got hi figures.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think it's illogical to ignore the horse's style,and duel on the lead(he has failed 3 times, atleast, with this method.) The horse can win at this same level in a couple weeks.Makes no sense to talk about his chances yesterday,because she put him in a position he doesn't like (dueling.)I flatly disagree with anybody who ignores a horse's style ,and thinks they are gunna run some figure no matter where they are placed in a race.I guess if we were all such believers in figures then we would have gone with the 1st 2 horses you had rated.They are out of form,but hey,they got hi figures.

wouldn't have been any worse off than your in-form horse, in fact my top horse beat your touted inform selection. should you really be talking smack when your horse ran out?

the horses style can mean a lot, but it doesn't mean that the horse will win against just anyone.

Previously at HW this horse raced with the same kind of pace style as yesterday and performed well albeit at a lower class rating. the races at Hollywood were fast paced and the horse held up well. the horse will come back with some class relief and will be okay.
I'm done, as this is pointless.