A true stiffing

[Scav]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

What!

we are bashing JOE TALAMO?

I said he wasn't that good back in November and this board jumped on me like buzzards on a road kill in Texas.

He's young and if he keeps his agent, he will do fine if he can learn anything from the other jockeys.

He still isn't that good right now.

His downfall started when he got into a pissing match with Ebanks because Ebanks wanted both Tyler Baze and Talamo. And this is when Tyler was getting hot again. Jealously is a bitch. I think it is Ebanks, but it might be Ron Anderson...

It also didn't help that Bejarano made the move there because he essentially took ALL of his mounts (Walsh and Frankel most notable)

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Scav

His downfall started when he got into a pissing match with Ebanks because Ebanks wanted both Tyler Baze and Talamo. And this is when Tyler was getting hot again. Jealously is a bitch. I think it is Ebanks, but it might be Ron Anderson...

It also didn't help that Bejarano made the move there because he essentially took ALL of his mounts (Walsh and Frankel most notable)

If Joe hangs in there, stays the likeable kid he is and learns from the wealth of good riders around him he will go to the TOP with the agent he has now.
His agent is a Super agent with the right rider and Alex Solis isn't that rider anymore. Joe can slip right in.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Actually,I haven't liked the horses Talamo has been getting.I know he needs to win with marginal horses in order to get better mounts,but horses like Le Cirque are the types he often gets.That(LE CIRQUE) is a despicable individual to have to try to get up with,but he does need to start getting horses like that up.

[ArlJim78]

scuds, the horse you're obsessing on from the SA sixth yesterday was probably not going to win that race, REGARDLESS of the riding tactics.
To me that horse was clearly not quite up to the level of several of the others. Maybe coming from off the pace the horse would have been closer, but a winner? imo no way.

I'm not saying it wasn't a decent shot to take at the price, but you act once again as if the ride alone is to blame for your loss. In all honestly I feel that you should just take most of the blame yourself for making the wrong play. Its okay to say that because everyone is wrong about something in this game the majority of the time.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

scuds, the horse you're obsessing on from the SA sixth yesterday was probably not going to win that race, REGARDLESS of the riding tactics.
To me that horse was clearly not quite up to the level of several of the others. Maybe coming from off the pace the horse would have been closer, but a winner? imo no way.

I'm not saying it wasn't a decent shot to take at the price, but you act once again as if the ride alone is to blame for your loss. In all honestly I feel that you should just take most of the blame yourself for making the wrong play. Its okay to say that because everyone is wrong about something in this game the majority of the time.

I ignore your stuff almost always.It's all the same type stuff.It's the contrarian high school teacher type stuff.Just like this time.I read it,but just ignore it,because I know the guy who wrote it is simply out to disagree with other players.Same as before,watch the horse's next race.Nobody knows for sure what would of happened if he got a rate or stalk trip.It's a bad post.I already said he may have lost with a troubled trip.I don't play crap for singles.Look at the next leg single.He scored at 10-1.They (the singles) usually are very live.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I ignore your stuff almost always.It's all the same type stuff.It's the contrarian high school teacher type stuff.Just like this time.I read it,but just ignore it,because I know the guy who wrote it is simply out to disagree with other players.Same as before,watch the horse's next race.Nobody knows for sure what would of happened if he got a rate or stalk trip.It's a bad post.I already said he may have lost with a troubled trip.I don't play crap for singles.Look at the next leg single.He scored at 10-1.They (the singles) usually are very live.

well at least you have an open mind.
since when is disagreeing with other players not part of this game?

my posts are all the same type of stuff? umm, you might want to look in the mirror fellow. your rants on conspiracies, bad rides, and cheating trainers are so tiresome and predictably lame.

contrarian high school teacher stuff? whatever. the very act of trying to find value is a contrarian type of thinking.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

well at least you have an open mind.
since when is disagreeing with other players not part of this game?

my posts are all the same type of stuff? umm, you might want to look in the mirror fellow. your rants on conspiracies, bad rides, and cheating trainers are so tiresome and predictably lame.

contrarian high school teacher stuff? whatever. the very act of trying to find value is a contrarian type of thinking.

You're predictably contrarian.The only thing unusual about your post about YMUSTICAHASETHECAT is that you didn't say the winner was your top choice in the race.That would be your normal way.I want to know something.You are so sure that none of these horses ever get bad rides.I got to know something.

Anita 12-30-07 RACE 7 .....Yasinisi......Close to the wire,..Doesn't Solis just hand 3rd place in a stakes to Bejarano?

A bad ride and a stiff are very different
things. I thought stiff meant intent to hold
a horse back from winning or intentionally
producing a poor performance from a horse.

How the heck do you get that out of that ride.
You can call it whatever, but a stiff?
If you play this game and can clearly call that
a stiff you dont have the temprament to handle
all the crap that can happen.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're predictably contrarian.The only thing unusual about your post about YMUSTICAHASETHECAT is that you didn't say the winner was your top choice in the race.That would be your normal way.I want to know something.You are so sure that none of these horses ever get bad rides.I got to know something.

Anita 12-30-07 RACE 7 .....Yasinisi......Close to the wire,..Doesn't Solis just hand 3rd place in a stakes to Bejarano?

I didn't mention anything about my choice because first of all, i didn't play that day, so I didn't wager, and secondly that wasn't the point. I saw your post touting the horse, looked at the field and yes looked at my ratings, and thought to myself that this horse was going to have trouble. the field was competitive and deep relatively speaking for that horse. I only commented when I saw that your only take on the result was to bash the ride.
by the way, where did I ever say that riders never give bad rides? of course they do but its an overrated angle imo, and I see many times when people are quick to point out microscopic issues about a ride when the ride wouldn't have made much difference which I feel is the case here.

For the record while I didn't play the race my ratings had it like this;
1 Forest Danz, 2 Specialist Morgen, 3 Iza General, 4 Indian Weaver, 5 Jacobs Profit, 6 I'll Prey for You, 7 Ymustichasethecat, 8 A Stare and me, 9 Escalante. The public had it about the same way, but it was wrong nonetheless having to go six deep to find the winner.

looking at bris speed figures, the winner of that race was given a 90. The winner had a lifetime best number of 102.

on the other hand, ymustichasethecat's lifetime best is only 89. the previous win earned him an 86 and yesterday he earned an 85 meaning that although the pace was distributed a little differently, the end result was right in line with the previous effort. It would have taken a lifetime best from him to have scored yesterday.

to me its illogical to skip over facts like this and instead come up with such insightful comments as "Chantal!!! ugghh".