W/E Beyers: Adriano 92

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dominican got a 93 for running down Street Sense in the Blue Grass...and that figure was corrected significantly because of the extreme slow pace, and would have been in the 80's if not.

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

Stream Cat went 1:43 1/5th at 8.5 furlongs earlier on in the card - and his career top Beyer was an 88. The Blue Grass was an extra 1/16th further, and went about 8 full seconds slower...with four noses on the wire together.

Synthetic track figures are meaningless to me - but I've always wondered how the sheet makers, who don't account for pace, can get away with not splitting sprint and route variants when they make them. I'm sure they can't in extreme case I guess.

The day that Domincan ran down Street Sense in the Blue Grass the final time was 1:51.33 - thirty minutes earlier Silent Name won a 7 furlong race in 1:21.26 - basically a quarter mile in a little over 30 seconds time seperates those two races.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Synthetic track figures are meaningless to me - but I've always wondered how the sheet makers, who don't account for pace, can get away with not splitting sprint and route variants when they make them. I'm sure they can't in extreme case I guess.

Just like dirt, sometimes you have to split routes and sprints, and sometimes you don't. However, you MUST use new parallel time charts for these tracks if you want to do that. If you stick to the same ones, it will never work.

[cmorioles]

Pepper's Pride, 81...it appears there was a timer malfunction and this is just a guess by the figure maker most likely.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

Awesome info !!! Nice post

[Kasept]

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*St. Patrick's Day (TP): Korbyn Gold (M. Maker/V. Lebron) - 108

*Gulf Coast Classic (DeD): Good and Lucky (J. Carroll/J. Graham) - 103
*Hot Springs (OP): Junior College (A. Reinstedler/E. Razo Jr.) - 100

*San Luis Rey (SA): Boule d'Or - IRE (J. Mullins/T. Baze) - 99
*March Madness (BM): Bold Chieftain (W. Morey Jr./R. Baze) - 99
*Joe Hernandez (SA): Desert Code (D. Hofmans/R. Migliore) - 98
*Bensalem (Pha): Eternal Star (M. Trombetta/J. Pimentel) - 95
*Lagniappe Ladies Sprint (FG): Carson City Babe (E. Johnston/L. Meche) - 94
*Santa Ana (SA): Costume - GB (R. Frankel/G. Gomez) - 94
*Private Terms (Lrl): Double Or Nothing (R. Dutrow Jr./A. Castellano Jr.) - 94
*Goddess (DeD): Unforgotten (D. Stewart/J. Graham) - 94
*Lagniappe Sprint (FG): Ceasers March (W. Calhoun/H. Theriot II) - 93
*Crescent City Derby (FG): Ide Like a Double (B. Gilbert/K. Clark) - 93
*Lane's End (TP): Adriano (H. Motion/E. Prado) - 92
*Distaff (Aqu): Rite Moment (G. Contessa/R. Maragh) - 92
*Andover Way (Aqu): Sweet Vendetta (G. Contessa/C. Hill) - 90

*Fortin (FG): Candy Ball (A. Leggio Jr./D. Meche) - 88
*Irish O'Brien (SA): Lightmyfirebaby (B. Abrams/C. Sutherland) - 88
*Hansel (TP): Mitigation (P. McGee/O. Mojica) - 88
*Bedanken (FG): Sweepstake - IRE (D. Carroll/R. Albarado) - 87
*Spring (Hou): Goosey Moose (D. Pish/Q. Hamilton) - 86
*Lagniappe Classic (FG): Grand Minit (A. Stall Jr./C. Bourque) - 84
*Rushaway (TP): Big Glen (F. Brothers/R. Douglas) - 82
*Queen (TP): Pola's Place (D. Pate/T. Pompell) - 82
*Grindstone (FG): Amazing Results (R. Scherer/S. Bridgmohan) - 81
*Sydney Valentini (Sun): Peppers Pride (J. Marr/C. Madeira) - 81

*Red Camelia (FG): Leestown Light (L. Robideaux Jr./L. Meche) - 79
*Runza (Fon): Lovesablumin (T. Hemmer/B. Butler) - 78
*Bourbonette Oaks (TP): Maren's Meadow (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 78
*Crescent City Oaks (FG): Go Atm (W. Hawley/C. Lanerie) - 76