W/E Beyers: Adriano 92

[Kasept]

SAN LUIS REY H.(G2): BOULE D'OR-IRE 99
DISTAFF H.(G2): RITE MOMENT 92
LANE'S END S.(G2): ADRIANO 92
BOURBONETTE OAKS S.(G3): MAREN'S MEADOW 78

[cmorioles]

Rushaway 82

[HaloWishingwell]

This crop is allergic to a 100 Beyer.

[2 Dollar Bill]

[quote=HaloWishingwell][b][i]This crop is allergic to a 100

Newer Models = Better Gas MPG ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

This crop is allergic to a 100 Beyer.

The synthetic track route race figures are pretty dumbed down - especially the ones run at slow paces featuring younger horses.

Hard Spun got a 101 Beyer in the Spiral last year - and he won it by daylight. Dominican got a 93 for running down Street Sense in the Blue Grass...and that figure was corrected significantly because of the extreme slow pace, and would have been in the 80's if not.

The problem is, unlike last year when horses like Street Sense and Hard Spun had excellent credentials on dirt going into the Derby - the horses who are winning these synthetic track route races with the dumbed down figures have either never run over dirt or haven't been effective on it.

The more troubling thing to me is how slow the dirt preps have been.

[sumitas]

Never heard of the Spiral. What did Hard Spun post for his Lanes End triumph last year ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He ran a 101 in last years Jim Beam Stakes

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dominican got a 93 for running down Street Sense in the Blue Grass...and that figure was corrected significantly because of the extreme slow pace, and would have been in the 80's if not.

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

[sumitas]

OK, how about the Lane's End last year at Turfway Park ? That's the race both Adriano and Hard Spun won.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by sumitas

OK, how about the Lane's End last year at Turfway Park ? That's the race both Adriano and Hard Spun won.

It will always be the Jim Beam to me. What's next, you going to tell me Jimmie Johnson didn't win the Winston Cup?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

Stream Cat went 1:43 1/5th at 8.5 furlongs earlier on in the card - and his career top Beyer was an 88. The Blue Grass was an extra 1/16th further, and went about 8 full seconds slower...with four noses on the wire together.

Synthetic track figures are meaningless to me - but I've always wondered how the sheet makers, who don't account for pace, can get away with not splitting sprint and route variants when they make them. I'm sure they can't in extreme case I guess.

The day that Domincan ran down Street Sense in the Blue Grass the final time was 1:51.33 - thirty minutes earlier Silent Name won a 7 furlong race in 1:21.26 - basically a quarter mile in a little over 30 seconds time seperates those two races.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Synthetic track figures are meaningless to me - but I've always wondered how the sheet makers, who don't account for pace, can get away with not splitting sprint and route variants when they make them. I'm sure they can't in extreme case I guess.

Just like dirt, sometimes you have to split routes and sprints, and sometimes you don't. However, you MUST use new parallel time charts for these tracks if you want to do that. If you stick to the same ones, it will never work.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by sumitas

OK, how about the Lane's End last year at Turfway Park ? That's the race both Adriano and Hard Spun won.

Hard Spun ran a 101 beyer Speed figure in the Lane's End last year.

ID is making the same points that I tried to make in the BSF thread the other day, but it was called a "new low" since I'm the one that brought it up. Thank you ID for bringing these points up again. Maybe you presented the same questions/concerns in a different, more logical manner than me, but I'm glad that someone else brought them up and recognizes them. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks certain BSFs are meaningless (I'm not saying that Beyers are meaningless overall. BSFs are very useful sometimes...). At least some of my questions were answered.

[cmorioles]

Pepper's Pride, 81...it appears there was a timer malfunction and this is just a guess by the figure maker most likely.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

Awesome info !!! Nice post

[Kasept]

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures for last week's stakes races:

*St. Patrick's Day (TP): Korbyn Gold (M. Maker/V. Lebron) - 108

*Gulf Coast Classic (DeD): Good and Lucky (J. Carroll/J. Graham) - 103
*Hot Springs (OP): Junior College (A. Reinstedler/E. Razo Jr.) - 100

*San Luis Rey (SA): Boule d'Or - IRE (J. Mullins/T. Baze) - 99
*March Madness (BM): Bold Chieftain (W. Morey Jr./R. Baze) - 99
*Joe Hernandez (SA): Desert Code (D. Hofmans/R. Migliore) - 98
*Bensalem (Pha): Eternal Star (M. Trombetta/J. Pimentel) - 95
*Lagniappe Ladies Sprint (FG): Carson City Babe (E. Johnston/L. Meche) - 94
*Santa Ana (SA): Costume - GB (R. Frankel/G. Gomez) - 94
*Private Terms (Lrl): Double Or Nothing (R. Dutrow Jr./A. Castellano Jr.) - 94
*Goddess (DeD): Unforgotten (D. Stewart/J. Graham) - 94
*Lagniappe Sprint (FG): Ceasers March (W. Calhoun/H. Theriot II) - 93
*Crescent City Derby (FG): Ide Like a Double (B. Gilbert/K. Clark) - 93
*Lane's End (TP): Adriano (H. Motion/E. Prado) - 92
*Distaff (Aqu): Rite Moment (G. Contessa/R. Maragh) - 92
*Andover Way (Aqu): Sweet Vendetta (G. Contessa/C. Hill) - 90

*Fortin (FG): Candy Ball (A. Leggio Jr./D. Meche) - 88
*Irish O'Brien (SA): Lightmyfirebaby (B. Abrams/C. Sutherland) - 88
*Hansel (TP): Mitigation (P. McGee/O. Mojica) - 88
*Bedanken (FG): Sweepstake - IRE (D. Carroll/R. Albarado) - 87
*Spring (Hou): Goosey Moose (D. Pish/Q. Hamilton) - 86
*Lagniappe Classic (FG): Grand Minit (A. Stall Jr./C. Bourque) - 84
*Rushaway (TP): Big Glen (F. Brothers/R. Douglas) - 82
*Queen (TP): Pola's Place (D. Pate/T. Pompell) - 82
*Grindstone (FG): Amazing Results (R. Scherer/S. Bridgmohan) - 81
*Sydney Valentini (Sun): Peppers Pride (J. Marr/C. Madeira) - 81

*Red Camelia (FG): Leestown Light (L. Robideaux Jr./L. Meche) - 79
*Runza (Fon): Lovesablumin (T. Hemmer/B. Butler) - 78
*Bourbonette Oaks (TP): Maren's Meadow (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 78
*Crescent City Oaks (FG): Go Atm (W. Hawley/C. Lanerie) - 76