English Channel ducking the big boys??

Originally Posted by oracle80

You are dead wrong kev. Its the narrow three weeks between the two races at Colonial that kept him from doing that. Its just too quick back, especially with only 4 weeks to the next race out in Arlington. And think of the toll the extra shipping plays. They aren't machines kev, you can't just beat on them like that. Tagg made the right play.

Hey Oracle, you should take what you just said and apply it to Songster. You said yourself--these horses are not machines.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Hey Oracle, you should take what you just said and apply it to Songster. You said yourself--these horses are not machines.

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard, Songster had two months off before that race, where is teh connection?
I used machine in reference to overracing a horse on short rest.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard, Songster had two months off before that race, where is teh connection?
I used machine in reference to overracing a horse on short rest.

Showing Up raced off 2 weeks for the KD. He could have raced if healthy. He just had a minor problem. Tagg would have gladly picked up another $600K against the field he had previously destroyed, but he was looking out for the horse. Trust me, $600K is a lot of money to a small operation like Taggs.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard, Songster had two months off before that race, where is teh connection?
I used machine in reference to overracing a horse on short rest.

Oh so now horses arent machines as long as they have a nice layoff--lol. A horse cannot fire their best race every time out regardless of the layoff. Again, you said it "these horses are not machines."

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh so now horses arent machines as long as they have a nice layoff--lol. A horse cannot fire their best race every time out regardless of the layoff. Again, you said it "these horses are not machines."

Yes a GOOD trainer like Dutrow or Pletcher has his horses sharp and ready with enough time between starts. Of course they are among the best.........

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes a GOOD trainer like Dutrow or Pletcher has his horses sharp and ready with enough time between starts. Of course they are among the best.........

Oh ok, so if Dutrow and Pletcher has a horse off the proper layoff then they are a lock to win. So their win% with a layoff of 2 months or more should be 100%--correct?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh ok, so if Dutrow and Pletcher has a horse off the proper layoff then they are a lock to win. So their win% with a layoff of 2 months or more should be 100%--correct?

I dont recall them losing with a 1-5 shot in a graded stakes race. Please feel free to get back to me with your proof.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I dont recall them losing with a 1-5 shot in a graded stakes race. Please feel free to get back to me with your proof.

You must have a bad short term memory. I do recall a horse named Bluegrass Cat who is trained by Pletcher losing to a horse called Deputy Glitters who is trained by Albertrani in the Grade III Tampa Bay Derby. Oh yeah, Bluegrass Cat was sent off as the 2-5 favorite. Deputy Glitters was 8-1.

Didnt Albertrani also beat Pletcher in the 2006 Grade II Ohio Derby. I also believe that High Cotton was the odds on favorite that day as well.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yes a GOOD trainer like Dutrow or Pletcher has his horses sharp and ready with enough time between starts. Of course they are among the best.........

Richard E. Dutrow, Jr. 397 106 69 56 $4,804,901 26.7 58.2
Thomas Albertrani 103 22 16 10 $1,926,174 21.4 46.6

I don't know but Albertrani sure does look like he has done alright for himself. Albertrani seems to be making considerably more money per start than Dutrow.

Where is Dutrow's classic win? How about Pletcher's?

Originally Posted by boldruler

Richard E. Dutrow, Jr. 397 106 69 56 $4,804,901 26.7 58.2
Thomas Albertrani 103 22 16 10 $1,926,174 21.4 46.6

I don't know Albetrani sure does look like he has done alright for himself. Albertrani seems to be making considerably more money per start than Dutrow.

Where is Dutrow's classic win? How about Pletcher's?

LOL!!! Dutrow has won a filly classic, the Coaching Club Oaks. hes also won the Breeders Cup Classic, something Albertrani will never do in my opinion. Hes also won the Met Mile, the Donn, the Woodward, The Prioress, and Breeders Cup Sprint. Also races Albertrani has never won.
Problem with guys like you know zero about the game is you try and use partial stats from one year to try and prove something. What yoiu end up proving is that you don't know a damn thing. Wake me up when Albertrani trains a champion.
Note- Pletcher has won too many grade ones that Albertrani will never win to list in this short space.

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! Dutrow has won a filly classic, the Coaching Club Oaks. hes also won the Breeders Cup Classic, something Albertrani will never do in my opinion. Hes also won the Met Mile, the Donn, the Woodward, The Prioress, and Breeders Cup Sprint. Also races Albertrani has never won.
Problem with guys like you know zero about the game is you try and use partial stats from one year to try and prove something. What yoiu end up proving is that you don't know a damn thing. Wake me up when Albertrani trains a champion.
Note- Pletcher has won too many grade ones that Albertrani will never win to list in this short space.

Filly Classic? So has Pletcher? Nobody cares (congratulations to you guys though). Albertrani has been in training for 2yrs and won a real Classic.

Wake you up when he trains a champion? He has the 3yr old champion now and the favorite for HOY.

The guy trains for Darley which means he is going to eventually win everything.

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! Dutrow has won a filly classic, the Coaching Club Oaks. hes also won the Breeders Cup Classic, something Albertrani will never do in my opinion. Hes also won the Met Mile, the Donn, the Woodward, The Prioress, and Breeders Cup Sprint. Also races Albertrani has never won.
Problem with guys like you know zero about the game is you try and use partial stats from one year to try and prove something. What yoiu end up proving is that you don't know a damn thing. Wake me up when Albertrani trains a champion.
Note- Pletcher has won too many grade ones that Albertrani will never win to list in this short space.

This is a funny post. If you are going to compare Dutrow, Pletcher and Albertraini then you have to make the playing field level. Look at each trainers first two years of training stats then make the comparison. I think that Albetrani would be head and shoulders above Dutrow and Pletcher when looking at their first two years of training.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! Dutrow has won a filly classic, the Coaching Club Oaks. hes also won the Breeders Cup Classic, something Albertrani will never do in my opinion. Hes also won the Met Mile, the Donn, the Woodward, The Prioress, and Breeders Cup Sprint. Also races Albertrani has never won.
Problem with guys like you know zero about the game is you try and use partial stats from one year to try and prove something. What yoiu end up proving is that you don't know a damn thing. Wake me up when Albertrani trains a champion.
Note- Pletcher has won too many grade ones that Albertrani will never win to list in this short space.

I'm gonna go out on alimb and say that Albertrani is training a champion right now--they just haven't given him the statue yet...

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh so now horses arent machines as long as they have a nice layoff--lol. A horse cannot fire their best race every time out regardless of the layoff. Again, you said it "these horses are not machines."

Well he just called me a spineless know nothing hypocrit, which we all already knew (LOL), but I think Oracle would have no problem getting into the club.

I am slowly becoming the biggest Albertrani fan in the world. Funny how the guy who trains the best horse we have seen in years is a little "dwarf" who is an idiot. Imagine how good the horse would be if that guy who hasn't yet won a Classic in 51 tries trained him. LOL.