Why Does Beyer Get Dissed?

[Pedigree Ann]

I have taken any pronouncements on handicapping made by Andy Beyer with a grain of salt ever since he stated categorically that there was no way on God's green earth that Bayakoa could win the Breeders' Cup distaff at 10f on a BC preview show.(That was the first of her two successive BC wins.)

[randallscott35]

The game has passed him by. He didn't make adjustments for ground loss and his arrogance about disregarding sheet players makes him an easy target.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The game has passed him by. He didn't make adjustments for ground loss and his arrogance about disregarding sheet players makes him an easy target.

I don't think its arrogance, I think if you are Hertz that there is no way you can praise Avis and if you are Coke you can't praise Pepsi.

The guy is very bright quite obviously. He is doing something that many others only wish they could do. He writes about racing and betting and makes money off it.

And he came up with a unique system for its time. A way to compare races coming from diff tracks, or from the same track under diff conditions. This was one of the first legitimate attempts with some sound reasoning to do this. And all of these publications still use "his" numbers...

The fact that he makes wrong picks is no different from anybody else. This game is extraordinarily difficult. Just cause the guy is bright does not mean he is expected to pick correctly in a game as random as this. I think it takes people who are intimately associated with A track and all that goes on with it to do the picking job. I dont think he does this anymore.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The game has passed him by. He didn't make adjustments for ground loss and his arrogance about disregarding sheet players makes him an easy target.

The sheet makers don't take into account pace and bias (while using lesser factors such as weight and wind) so those numbers are far from perfect as well. Like T-Graph numbers for turf, but the dirt figs are not as reliable, IMO.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I have taken any pronouncements on handicapping made by Andy Beyer with a grain of salt ever since he stated categorically that there was no way on God's green earth that Bayakoa could win the Breeders' Cup distaff at 10f on a BC preview show.(That was the first of her two successive BC wins.)

The man has strong opinions. Are they always right? Of course not. But many of his strong opinion shave been right, and hes made many scores with strong opinions. The problem is that most weekend warriors only pay real attention on big race days like the Derby or breeders Cup. real players know that it makes no difference whether you come up with a 20-1 in the Breeders Cup or in the 8th race at Finger lakes, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Its really unfair to criticize his selections since hes only asked to give them about twice a year. The other 363 days are never in the print, and I would assume that he some very nice selections on some of those days.