Saturday Stakes BSF's

[smuthg]

from the Illman blog on DRF.

*Honeybee (OP): Eight Belles (J. Jones/R. Dominguez) - 91

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by smuthg

from the Illman blog on DRF.

*Honeybee (OP): Eight Belles (J. Jones/R. Dominguez) - 91

See that.. 8 minutes...



Thx Smu!


*Turf Dash (Tam): Lookinforthesecret (J. Ness/D. Centeno) - 101
*Bill Thomas Memorial (Sun): Wind Water (C. Hartman/K. Tohill) - 101
*Skip Away (GP): Gottcha Gold (E. Plesa Jr./C. Lopez) - 100

*Rebel (OP): Sierra Sunset (J. Bonde/C. Emigh) - 99
*Mac Diarmida (GP): Stream of Gold - Ire (K. McLaughlin/E. Castro) - 99
*Crystal Water (SA): Celtic Dreamin (R. Becerra/A. Solis) - 97
*Allen LaCombe Memorial (FG): Storm Treasure (S. Asmussen/D. Meche) - 96
*WinStar Derby (Sun): Liberty Bull (T. Amoss/G. Melancon) - 95
*Tampa Bay Derby (Tam): Big Truck (B. Tagg/E. Coa) - 93
*Florida Oaks (Tam): Awesome Chic (R. Ramos/I. Rosendo) - 92
*San Felipe (SA): Georgie Boy (K. Walsh/M. Baze) - 92
*Instant Friendship (Aqu): Prince of Peace (M. Miceli/N. Arroyo Jr.) - 92
*Honeybee (OP): Eight Belles (J. Jones/R. Dominguez) - 91
*Spicy Award (Aqu): Magical Forest (J. DeMola/A. Garcia) - 91
*Pasadena (SA): Polonius (M. Pender/J. Court) - 91
*Tejano Run (TP): High Blues (G. Arnold II/J. Lopez) - 90

*Invitational (PM): Bound to Be M V P (C. Balcom/J. Crispin) - 89
*Cicada (Aqu): Carolyn's Cat (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 89
*Harry W. Henson (Sun): Tough Tiz's Sis (B. Baffert/A. Gryder) - 89
*Conniver (Lrl): All Giving (F. Stites/E. Rodriguez) - 87
*New Mexico Breeders' Derby (Sun): Run Like Fire (J. Welch/J. Bourdieu) - 84
*WinStar Sunland Park Oaks (Sun): Sky Mom (S. Asmussen/G. Gomez) - 82
*Bachman (Fon): Ittakestwobaby (D. Anderson/D. Leeds) - 81
*Portland Meadows Mile (PM): Alabama Rain (T. Longstaff/A. Gutierrez) - 80
*Love Is Eternal (Aqu): Dance Gal Dance (R. Maragh/T. Ritvo) - 80

[colt 45ss]

so could a 102-103 win the roses

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Great to see races at Tampa and Sunland tied at the top of that.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

What makes them fast? A $5wp wager on the winner?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

It's official? A new low...

Every speed figure maker in the game is wrong..

Beyer, Brown, Ragozin... decades apiece, each evaluating the speed horses run as their lives' work. All incorrect...

But you're correct. You know better. Truly amazing. And sad.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Kasept

It's official? A new low...

Every speed figure maker in the game is wrong..

Beyer, Brown, Ragozin... decades apiece, each evaluating the speed horses run as their lives' work. All incorrect...

But you're correct. You know better. Truly amazing. And sad.

stay tuned for scenes from the next episode of General Hospital...Chapel Hill style

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

OOOOOOOOOO

x4 00000000

[philcski]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

Ky- they're slow. Trust me on this one. These are the most pathetic group of times I can ever remember in the preps.


The more I see, the more I like Big Brown.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by philcski

Ky- they're slow. Trust me on this one. These are the most pathetic group of times I can ever remember in the preps.


The more I see, the more I like Big Brown.

Big Brown is not slow.

The times may be slow, but the way the races set up make the final times slow.

You have horses like Visionaire going up to NY, not switching leads in the stretch, and running a higher Beyer than a horse like Pyro that beat Visionaire in his previous start. Sierra Sunset-99. Georgie Boy-92, Pyro-95, Colonel John-86, El Gato Malo-85. These horses can all run Sierra Sunset into the ground.

Colonel John-last furlong...11.8 seconds
El Gato Malo-last furlong...11.2 seconds.

I don't know how much faster a horse is supposed to run than that. Again, I don't think these horses are slow. I won't change these statements. Well, not until they prove me otherwise.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Big Brown is not slow.

The times may be slow, but the way the races set up make the final times slow.

You have horses like Visionaire going up to NY, not switching leads in the stretch, and running a higher Beyer than a horse like Pyro that beat Visionaire in his previous start. Sierra Sunset-99. Georgie Boy-92, Pyro-95, Colonel John-86, El Gato Malo-85. These horses can all run Sierra Sunset into the ground.

Colonel John-last furlong...11.8 seconds
El Gato Malo-last furlong...11.2 seconds.

I don't know how much faster a horse is supposed to run than that. Again, I don't think these horses are slow. I won't change these statements. Well, not until they prove me otherwise.

These colts are slow relative to past years PERIOD. Do you think any of these colts save WP would be able to compete with Hard Spun, Curlin, or Street Sense?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Big Brown is not slow.

The times may be slow, but the way the races set up make the final times slow.

You have horses like Visionaire going up to NY, not switching leads in the stretch, and running a higher Beyer than a horse like Pyro that beat Visionaire in his previous start. Sierra Sunset-99. Georgie Boy-92, Pyro-95, Colonel John-86, El Gato Malo-85. These horses can all run Sierra Sunset into the ground.

Colonel John-last furlong...11.8 seconds
El Gato Malo-last furlong...11.2 seconds.

I don't know how much faster a horse is supposed to run than that. Again, I don't think these horses are slow. I won't change these statements. Well, not until they prove me otherwise.

we will see how he runs vs horses that are good.. he is a good horse but..

dirt in the face and some pressure should make a diffrence in his spectacular looks.......i think he gets exposed ...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Big Brown is not slow.

The times may be slow, but the way the races set up make the final times slow.

You have horses like Visionaire going up to NY, not switching leads in the stretch, and running a higher Beyer than a horse like Pyro that beat Visionaire in his previous start. Sierra Sunset-99. Georgie Boy-92, Pyro-95, Colonel John-86, El Gato Malo-85. These horses can all run Sierra Sunset into the ground.

Colonel John-last furlong...11.8 seconds
El Gato Malo-last furlong...11.2 seconds.

I don't know how much faster a horse is supposed to run than that. Again, I don't think these horses are slow. I won't change these statements. Well, not until they prove me otherwise.

Nope... but he hasn't even run in a stake yet. We have to cross our fingers that he doesn't run a clunker, or we won't even get a chance to see him in the Derby.

the problem with your analysis on Col John & El Gato Malo is the last furlong comparison doesn't work with synthetics. If a horse did that on turf (which is what synthetic racing really is), we'd say ok, nice horse, maybe a G3 type, but a cut below the top level. On dirt, those numbers would be something special... and last I checked they still run the Derby on dirt (THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!) Until the Cali's run & prove themselves on real dirt, like Sierra Sunset did, I will reserve judgement.

Originally Posted by freddymo

These colts are slow relative to past years PERIOD. Do you think any of these colts save WP would be able to compete with Hard Spun, Curlin, or Street Sense?

No chance. NONE. And you're not even including Rags to Riches, who would smoke them all too.

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

we will see how he runs vs horses that are good.. he is a good horse but..

dirt in the face and some pressure should make a diffrence in his spectacular looks.......i think he gets exposed ...

totally agree, which is why I can't judge him on the square just yet (even though he's easily on the top of my list). I don't think he gets exposed in his next start though... as we've stated, the competition aint much.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Big Brown is not slow.

The times may be slow, but the way the races set up make the final times slow.

You have horses like Visionaire going up to NY, not switching leads in the stretch, and running a higher Beyer than a horse like Pyro that beat Visionaire in his previous start. Sierra Sunset-99. Georgie Boy-92, Pyro-95, Colonel John-86, El Gato Malo-85. These horses can all run Sierra Sunset into the ground.

Colonel John-last furlong...11.8 seconds
El Gato Malo-last furlong...11.2 seconds.

I don't know how much faster a horse is supposed to run than that. Again, I don't think these horses are slow. I won't change these statements. Well, not until they prove me otherwise.

Fast horses, by my definition at least, by running the whole race fast, not just selected parts. I haven't seen any horse do that yet.

In the races this year, the horses either go too slow early to record a decent final time, or they go fast and collapse. Think about this one...War Emblem won the Derby at 20-1. He'd be about even money against this crop as it stands right now.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It's official. This is a year where beyers are meaningless leading up to the Derby. These horses are not slow.

No way in hell if we had forum Survivor I'd be voting off KYRIM. Where else can you get brilliant insight like this?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No way in hell if we had forum Survivor I'd be voting off KYRIM. Where else can you get brilliant insight like this?

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