Denis of Cork's stock on the rise - Page 2

#21 03-17-2008, 08:59 AM

So can we replace "Needs more cowbell" with "Needs more Denis of Cork threads"? Too much? No?

Kasept · #22 03-17-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

Thunder Gulch · #23 03-17-2008, 10:13 AM

I think DOC is a good one, but I sure don't like changing directions with your race schedule this late in the game.

philcski · #24 03-17-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

He's trying to help you out by making you EXPLAIN why the FoY could be a key race. I don't think anyone has a problem with the statement, and I'd tend to agree with you since the top two are in the top 5 of my Derby list, if you further explain your rationale.

SentToStud · #25 03-17-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

Depending on how you define a key race, it may well already be one. In addition to waiting to see how the also rans do next, you can take a different approach and ask what the results and running tell you about those also rans with decent or better prior form.

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out, how they were placed and the conditioning they gave away. I'm not nuts about Z Humor but he sure looked like a short horse in the stretch. On the other hand, I don't think Court Vision could have run any better.

Maybe Z Humor can't move forward but I could play him next out at the right price. Also, I'd be shocked if Court Vision does not run very well next out.

The Indomitable DrugS · #26 03-17-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out,

The pace was fast enough.

The originally posted fractions were way off.

SentToStud · #27 03-17-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace was fast enough.

The originally posted fractions were way off.

I know the changes. I don't think it matters at all. The two up front were empty and the top two finishers got sweet trips. Comparing what the 3rd/4th were left to do vs the top 2 finishers is how I look at the race.

SentToStud · #28 03-17-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How can it be a key race, when 1 horse has come out of it so far and he was up the track? Oh I get it, you and PG1985 are speculating it will be based on....what exactly? Good luck with Z Humor.

thanks. Good luck to you too.

SentToStud · #29 03-17-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As an aside, You already know I don't have Z Humor or CV as part of Future bet. I'm sure you're already aware and have that written down.

And like I noted, there are different ways to define a key race. You might want to write that down as well.

freddymo · #30 03-17-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How would I know who you have as future bets? Moreso, why would I care?

We disagree on what a key race is. You and PG1985 have one interpretation. I have another. It's cool.

There interpretation requires all patrons attending the track that day get a key with a paid admission.. Then they go to a car in the infield and attempt to start it... If the car starts they win!!!!

SCUDSBROTHER · #31 03-17-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I would have a hard time putting Georgie Boy over either of the top two finishers of the FOY at this point.
Also, maybe you've had it for awhile and I just now noticed but man, are you trying to put yourself in the top 3 in the category of most annoying signatures in the history of this board?
No offense intended, but it features all of the three things I find particularly annoying (large font, changing colors, questionable relevance). Do we really need to see that every time you post?

I have to say,it is amazing that any horse associated with IGGY PUGLISI can be considered a contender for the Kentucky Derby.He is just the exercise rider,but still,it's weird.What is he 0 FOR 80 since returning from the injury? Even Enriquez caught one last night.

Kasept · #32 03-17-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

There interpretation requires all patrons attending the track that day get a key with a paid admission.. Then they go to a car in the infield and attempt to start it... If the car starts they win!!!!

Speaking of which... Did anyone see that they had a horseshoe toss yesterday at Santa Anita and one of the 5 patrons who got a single toss at a ringer hit it and won a $1,000,000?

Unbelievable...

I was at a Hartford Whalers game once when somebody hit the slap shot through the tiny cutout for $250,000 (or maybe more...).

freddymo · #33 03-17-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Speaking of which... Did anyone see that they had a horseshoe toss yesterday at Santa Anita and one of the 5 patrons who got a single toss at a ringer hit it and won a $1,000,000?

Unbelievable...

I was at a Hartford Whalers game once when somebody hit the slap shot through the tiny cutout for $250,000 (or maybe more...).

I think I am getting the Florida Derby Promotional Tee and Hat order if I do I will send you a case of each and you can send them out to your Favorite Dee Tee Posters...DrugS needs a XS

HaloWishingwell · #34 03-17-2008, 03:49 PM

So far none of these horses have any stock worth talking about. It's a slow bunch so far.

hockey2315 · #35 03-17-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

So far none of these horses have any stock worth talking about. It's a slow bunch so far.

Well somebody has to win, right?

HaloWishingwell · #36 03-17-2008, 03:58 PM

Yes but not with the performances that have been shown so far. Either someone will suddenly blossom within the next 6-7 weeks or we are seeing a bunch of soon to be claimers.

hockey2315 · #37 03-17-2008, 04:00 PM

You're not making any sense. . .

HaloWishingwell · #38 03-17-2008, 04:01 PM

how can I put it? The top horses are okay and the rest suck.

hockey2315 · #39 03-17-2008, 04:47 PM

Who are the top horses then? Isn't Denis of Cork one of them. . .

miraja2 · #40 03-17-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't talk to me about it.I couldn't care less what you want or think.Bitch to the people in charge,and they will probably censor it for you.Compared to the 3 I mentioned,the top 2 in the FOY are goats. I would take the Hey B horse over those 2.

My word, I had no idea anybody would be so sensitive about a signature, but I did see that you already changed it to something a BIT less obnoxious so for that, I thank you.

Regarding DoC, I guess I basically agree with you. With his pedigree and past performances, I see no reason that he shouldn't be considered one of the top contenders right now. The bottom line is that it is still pretty wide open at this point. Most of these "top contenders" could still turn out to be either multiple-G1 winners or garbage rather easily.