Denis of Cork's stock on the rise

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I am extremely familiar with the PP's of all 3. You didn't answer either question. I'll ask again, what about the way the FOY was run leads you to believe it was a key race? And why do you think it's a key race? I happen to like the top two finishers a lot. I could give you reasons why and show you examples of where I talked up each, BEFORE the races, a novel approach here. One of the reasons, for me at least isn't a shot in the dark that it might become a key race.

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

[Kasept]

Topic boys.. stay on topic. It's a good discussion.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Topic boys.. stay on topic. It's a good discussion.

waiting for you to say..i liked em from the start.......

So can we replace "Needs more cowbell" with "Needs more Denis of Cork threads"? Too much? No?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

Depending on how you define a key race, it may well already be one. In addition to waiting to see how the also rans do next, you can take a different approach and ask what the results and running tell you about those also rans with decent or better prior form.

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out, how they were placed and the conditioning they gave away. I'm not nuts about Z Humor but he sure looked like a short horse in the stretch. On the other hand, I don't think Court Vision could have run any better.

Maybe Z Humor can't move forward but I could play him next out at the right price. Also, I'd be shocked if Court Vision does not run very well next out.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out,

The pace was fast enough.

The originally posted fractions were way off.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pace was fast enough.

The originally posted fractions were way off.

I know the changes. I don't think it matters at all. The two up front were empty and the top two finishers got sweet trips. Comparing what the 3rd/4th were left to do vs the top 2 finishers is how I look at the race.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How can it be a key race, when 1 horse has come out of it so far and he was up the track? Oh I get it, you and PG1985 are speculating it will be based on....what exactly? Good luck with Z Humor.

thanks. Good luck to you too.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As an aside, You already know I don't have Z Humor or CV as part of Future bet. I'm sure you're already aware and have that written down.

And like I noted, there are different ways to define a key race. You might want to write that down as well.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How would I know who you have as future bets? Moreso, why would I care?

We disagree on what a key race is. You and PG1985 have one interpretation. I have another. It's cool.

There interpretation requires all patrons attending the track that day get a key with a paid admission.. Then they go to a car in the infield and attempt to start it... If the car starts they win!!!!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

There interpretation requires all patrons attending the track that day get a key with a paid admission.. Then they go to a car in the infield and attempt to start it... If the car starts they win!!!!

Speaking of which... Did anyone see that they had a horseshoe toss yesterday at Santa Anita and one of the 5 patrons who got a single toss at a ringer hit it and won a $1,000,000?

Unbelievable...

I was at a Hartford Whalers game once when somebody hit the slap shot through the tiny cutout for $250,000 (or maybe more...).

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of
discussion either.

you are correct, i am wrong... i should have said i like the top 3 a lot then gave my reassons why i like them, its not a key race. and yes i am anxious to learn and i will try to tone it down a little

[philcski]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

He's trying to help you out by making you EXPLAIN why the FoY could be a key race. I don't think anyone has a problem with the statement, and I'd tend to agree with you since the top two are in the top 5 of my Derby list, if you further explain your rationale.