Denis of Cork's stock on the rise

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Bogey

Denis of Cork bypassed this weekend's G2 Rebel at Oaklawn and figures to make his next start in the Wood Memorial at AQU.

Sierra Sunset - 2nd to Denis of Cork in the G3 Southwest took the G2 Rebel this weekend.

Liberty Bull - Dead Heated for 3rd in the G3 Southwest won impressively in the $600K Win Star Derby at Sunland.

you mean his stock is going down correct... he skipped a prep, and now only one more prep left that cannot be good...

stock down dennis of cork

stock up... top 3 finishers of the fountain of youth

Not to mention the dull performance by the 2yr old champ.

you mean his stock is going down correct... he skipped a prep, and now only one more prep left that cannot be good...

stock down dennis of cork

stock up... top 3 finishers of the fountain of youth

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

you mean his stock is going down correct... he skipped a prep, and now only one more prep left that cannot be good...

stock down dennis of cork

stock up... top 3 finishers of the fountain of youth

he skipped a prep due to the fact that the horse is somewhat light, probably hard to keep weight on him. so now they're looking at running four races in the next few months, rather than five.
his stock is up as horses he has faced/beaten continue to do well. unlike all those horses who ran in the delta jackpot for instance.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

We obviously have a communication gap here. Bogey offered up an opinion and then actually used some information to back his opinion. You, in typical fashion just threw more crap at the wall hoping it'll stick. Unfortunately for you, you only seem to work with non sticking crap.

your too funny... anyway the foy is going to end up a super key race, i have been looking over the pp's of it, and the way it was run, SUPER KEY RACE

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Enlighten us a bit. What about it makes it a key race? More importantly, what about the way it was run makes it a key race?

LOOK at the pp's of the top 3.... zitos mineshaft has never done a thing wrong... is 2-2 this year going 1 1/8 both times, and is very tactical....

tagg's horse has been a monster since stretching out, is doing nothing but working bullets, and is another who is tactical, which is very good style come derby time

court vision first off the layoff closed a ton of ground, and should move forward.....

also agree about cosmic he is a very nice horse but no derby for him
shug said he is not on the derby trail

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I am extremely familiar with the PP's of all 3. You didn't answer either question. I'll ask again, what about the way the FOY was run leads you to believe it was a key race? And why do you think it's a key race? I happen to like the top two finishers a lot. I could give you reasons why and show you examples of where I talked up each, BEFORE the races, a novel approach here. One of the reasons, for me at least isn't a shot in the dark that it might become a key race.

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

[Kasept]

Topic boys.. stay on topic. It's a good discussion.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Topic boys.. stay on topic. It's a good discussion.

waiting for you to say..i liked em from the start.......

So can we replace "Needs more cowbell" with "Needs more Denis of Cork threads"? Too much? No?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of discussion either.

Depending on how you define a key race, it may well already be one. In addition to waiting to see how the also rans do next, you can take a different approach and ask what the results and running tell you about those also rans with decent or better prior form.

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out, how they were placed and the conditioning they gave away. I'm not nuts about Z Humor but he sure looked like a short horse in the stretch. On the other hand, I don't think Court Vision could have run any better.

Maybe Z Humor can't move forward but I could play him next out at the right price. Also, I'd be shocked if Court Vision does not run very well next out.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Both the 3rd and 4th in that race had some level of 2 yo acomplishment, ran very well and had zero chance to win given how the pace shook out,

The pace was fast enough.

The originally posted fractions were way off.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How can it be a key race, when 1 horse has come out of it so far and he was up the track? Oh I get it, you and PG1985 are speculating it will be based on....what exactly? Good luck with Z Humor.

thanks. Good luck to you too.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You don't understand the question being asked.. When you out with a statement that "FOY will be a key race" you need to explain or at least understand what that means. What about the race will make it an event that will produce big return performances from the horses behind the principal runners (Cool Coal Man/Elysium Fields)?

You already had Anak Nakal come back from the Fountain and run like crap Saturday. What happens from the also-rans from the FOY is what produces a 'key' race. Court Vision, Z Humor, Golden Spikes, Halo Najib, Kentucky Bear, Adriano etc. need to come back with performances that enhance the reputation of the two finishers that separated themselves from the rest of that field. The question that needs specifics to be answered, is what is it about the Fountain of Youth that might make it a 'key' race.

If you can't answer with specifics, it's OK. You said you like the horses that will be running back from it to do well. You don't have a reason... you just do. You also don't appear anxious to learn the nuances of this type of
discussion either.

you are correct, i am wrong... i should have said i like the top 3 a lot then gave my reassons why i like them, its not a key race. and yes i am anxious to learn and i will try to tone it down a little

[philcski]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

your so funny, you like both of the horses, you agree
but you still push and make comments towards me, instead of just being on my side about it, since you just said you like them both.

i could be way off, i am wrong a lot but as of now i wont have pyro or war pass on any bet derby day, i wont have any cali horse .... maybe colonel john, but no one else, and i will have many horse out of the fountain

He's trying to help you out by making you EXPLAIN why the FoY could be a key race. I don't think anyone has a problem with the statement, and I'd tend to agree with you since the top two are in the top 5 of my Derby list, if you further explain your rationale.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Enlighten us a bit. What about it makes it a key race? More importantly, what about the way it was run makes it a key race?

i truly belive that the moms basement thing is the true

[Thunder Gulch]

I think DOC is a good one, but I sure don't like changing directions with your race schedule this late in the game.

[jcs11204]

[quote=DaHoss9698]That's not a big surprise. Wrong again. For those counting at home that's ONE correct call,


you are to much, i just post.... you should do the same

commentator or grasshopper will be horse of the year
curlin will lose in dubai
pyro, war pass, el gato malo... none of them will finish in the top 3 of the derby...

i will stick by all of those predictions, they will all be right.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Nice looking horse (with a win at Churchill.)Good mover.To me,physically,he looks like he will get 10f.I think Pyro,Denis of Cork,and Georgie Boy are the top3.A lot of horses not too far away from them.If you got 40 some odd to 1 on him,then I think ya did well.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Nice looking horse (with a win at Churchill.)Good mover.To me,physically,he looks like he will get 10f.I think Pyro,Denis of Cork,and Georgie Boy are the top3.A lot of horses not too far away from them.If you got 40 some odd to 1 on him,then I think ya did well.

I would have a hard time putting Georgie Boy over either of the top two finishers of the FOY at this point.
Also, maybe you've had it for awhile and I just now noticed but man, are you trying to put yourself in the top 3 in the category of most annoying signatures in the history of this board?
No offense intended, but it features all of the three things I find particularly annoying (large font, changing colors, questionable relevance). Do we really need to see that every time you post?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I would have a hard time putting Georgie Boy over either of the top two finishers of the FOY at this point.
Also, maybe you've had it for awhile and I just now noticed but man, are you trying to put yourself in the top 3 in the category of most annoying signatures in the history of this board?
No offense intended, but it features all of the three things I find particularly annoying (large font, changing colors, questionable relevance). Do we really need to see that every time you post?

Don't talk to me about it.I couldn't care less what you want or think.Bitch to the people in charge,and they will probably censor it for you.Compared to the 3 I mentioned,the top 2 in the FOY are goats. I would take the Hey B horse over those 2.