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03-15-2008, 08:26 PM
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I will never view Zito in the same light again. As if Bellamy Road wasn't enough, but I could understand the Travers because it was a really big race and they were only going to be able to get one more race out of the horse anyway. Plus, I'm sure he had pressure from the owners.
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03-15-2008, 08:58 PM
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that race by bellamy road gets a lot of respect from a lot of people. zito got an unsound horse to win the wood in record time, by an incredible margin, and then trained him to what is judged to be BR's best effort ever. yeah, i can see why some would have a problem with zito.... you have a horse today that allegedly had a bit of fever earlier in the week, running on a new surface to him, and he suffered some bad luck at the break, and a race that unfolded in a brand new way for war pass. any of those on their own may not have been enough to stop this horse, but if you add all together, then you have a different result...whether all those factors contributed to war passes loss today, i don't know. i am unwilling to second guess a hall of fame trainer, and considering war pass to this point, i'm not yet ready to say that this horse isn't a top horse. he just showed he's not unbeatable--but then, how many are? we often see in this sport that owners and trainers begin to believe all the hype about a horse, and start thinking the particular horse can walk on water. and just about as often, you see them brought down a peg...or three! i remember when a another zito horse faced a field that he just couldn't help but beat. regardless of the track, who cares if it was sealed....he should have walked all over the others, as he was much the best. birdstone ran up the track that day, and zito was angrier than i've ever seen a person before. yeah, birdstone showed his true self that day. 
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03-15-2008, 09:28 PM
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03-15-2008, 09:37 PM
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Hoss hearing that would put anyone back in their seat
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03-15-2008, 09:53 PM
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I'm surprised that the announcement hasn't been made yet. It will be before the weekend is up. He's done.
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03-16-2008, 01:04 AM
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I may be wrong,but didn't this same thing happen to Commentator a few years back at Gulfstream?? Zito brought him back in a cheap 65 k stake at Aqueduct on the inner,then he went to Gulf,was the talk of the town,and finished dead last???...
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03-16-2008, 01:46 AM
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http://www.drf.com/news/article/93015.html Paragraph four
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03-16-2008, 01:08 AM
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Unless the horse is physically hurt, I would be shocked if they tossed out a KY Derby bid. These come along rarely for folks and when you get a runner, the retirement factors in only with serious injury or its post-Triple Crown.
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03-16-2008, 02:32 AM
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As for what LaPenta said after the race - I ignore that type of stuff. The horse is a very valuable animal - and if he they weren't 100% confident he was ok on race day - he wouldn't have run.
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03-16-2008, 02:38 AM
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03-16-2008, 01:42 PM
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The real point is, and continues to be, the betting public is kept in the dark about the condition of the horses running in the races. A huge black mark on racing.
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03-16-2008, 02:12 PM
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03-16-2008, 08:56 AM
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As much as you think it is right to ignore what LaPenta had to say, people who read your last sentence should, by a factor of 10, ask the question, how the hell do you know that? Of course you don't know. The truth is nether does Zito. And it is far from uimpossible that the need to run the colt and stay on schedule outweighed any concerns about minor conditioning issues. Frankly, I'm curious under what conditions you think a horse IS NOT adversely affected by a fever a few days prior to his race.
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03-16-2008, 09:38 AM
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Debating whether or not the horse was healthy is a moot debate. The question is now - what next?
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03-16-2008, 09:44 AM
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03-16-2008, 10:28 AM
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03-16-2008, 09:41 AM
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The rumor was around that he was sick for a day and a half - the 59th minute of the Roger Stein show Saturday morning was the only place I'm aware of that got the rumor out to the betting public - but it was out. Maybe I am just naive - but if you aren't 100% sure that the horse is ok, you scratch and train up to the Wood. You don't put your valuable horse in a position to embarass himself or worse, hurt himself.
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