Oh my gosh

ArlJim78 · #1 03-15-2008, 06:20 PM

if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

trifecta124 · #2 03-15-2008, 06:21 PM

In a 20 horse field he better be sure he gets to the lead.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #3 03-15-2008, 06:23 PM

the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

justindew · #4 03-15-2008, 06:25 PM

Again, toss the race.

The Bid · #5 03-15-2008, 06:29 PM

Declan, if a confirmed front runner whos never been behind a horse in his life misses the break what do you think the plan is? You know you have a horse going to the Derby, would you A) Rush him up and bottom him out trying to win B) Put him between horses and let him get some education C) Just make sure he gets home safe and live to fight another day.

It has nothing to do with how good he is. He lays over that bunch anytime he breaks clean.

declansharbor · #6 03-15-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Declan, if a confirmed front runner whos never been behind a horse in his life misses the break what do you think the plan is? You know you have a horse going to the Derby, would you A) Rush him up and bottom him out trying to win B) Put him between horses and let him get some education C) Just make sure he gets home safe and live to fight another day.

It has nothing to do with how good he is. He lays over that bunch anytime he breaks clean.

He had ample opportunity to split the foes around the first turn. Good front-running horses overcome bad breaks all the time.

Now I admit, noone really knows what Zito had planned for him today. For all we know, he could have instructed the pilot to sit right off of the lead, and pounce on the backstretch.

It would be foolish to strain a horse that already has the graded earnings to make the KD gate. But it's also foolish to think that he will have the dream setup in a race like the KD. Adversity faced him and beat him. What lies in the cards for him in future races remains to be seen. Hopefully, he came out of it okay, so that we will have the chance to bump this thread at a later date and you say "I told you so" to me.

SentToStud · #7 03-15-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor[B

]He had ample opportunity to split the foes around the first turn. Good front-running horses overcome bad breaks all the time.[/b]

Now I admit, noone really knows what Zito had planned for him today. For all we know, he could have instructed the pilot to sit right off of the lead, and pounce on the backstretch.

It would be foolish to strain a horse that already has the graded earnings to make the KD gate. But it's also foolish to think that he will have the dream setup in a race like the KD. Adversity faced him and beat him. What lies in the cards for him in future races remains to be seen. Hopefully, he came out of it okay, so that we will have the chance to bump this thread at a later date and you say "I told you so" to me.

Yes, exactly. The highlighted as well as the rest.

And I like the horse too. And hope he comes out fine.

Travis Stone · #8 03-15-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Again, toss the race.

What is all this toss the race stuff? I'll never understand it.

War Pass did not get an ideal trip from the start today and we learned something about him. If you toss the race, you are completely ignoring the race, and therefore assuming if anything from today's race resurfaces, whether it be trip, pace, break etc., you ignore it, which is foolish.

justindew · #9 03-15-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What is all this toss the race stuff? I'll never understand it.

War Pass did not get an ideal trip from the start today and we learned something about him. If you toss the race, you are completely ignoring the race, and therefore assuming if anything from today's race resurfaces, whether it be trip, pace, break etc., you ignore it, which is foolish.

We didn't learn anything. Are you really gonna start handicapping races based on who MIGHT get bumped at the start?

milliam · #10 03-15-2008, 06:40 PM

Somebody revive Beyer and Vietch. Slew can rest easy

Travis Stone · #11 03-15-2008, 06:41 PM

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We didn't learn anything. Are you really gonna start handicapping races based on who MIGHT get bumped at the start?

No, because they don't publish that information, but I'll call the folks I know at Equibase and ask them to.

Bumped or not, it's clear War Pass is not the same horse when he's free and clear on the lead. In the Kentucky Derby, when there is a real likely chance a stretch-out sprinter such as Keyed Entry or Brancusi or Songandaprayer joins the early mix, War Pass figures to have more trouble making the lead, therefore hindering his chances.

If he was sick/hurt today, it becomes a different story. So until then, I'm going upon what I learned in the race today.

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 03-15-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Again, toss the race.

That's fine...

The problem than becomes....what about his return race?

declansharbor · #13 03-15-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

Hooves, what would you chalk the showing that he put up today as?? Why was he walking around the last turn?

I hold your opinion in high regards with the horses. How can a horse that NEEDS the lead, get an ideal setup in a 20 horse race, and overcome all adversity tied into such a race??

2Hot4TV · #14 03-15-2008, 06:31 PM

It was rumored this morning that War Pass was not feeling well a few days this week. Looks like that was true. War Pass didn't run alick today and I am glad that I'm not holding a future bet with his name on it.

The Bid · #15 03-15-2008, 06:22 PM

I have reservations about him getting a mile and a quarter Jim, that being said he will take all the beating at CHD come Derby day. If he breaks clean hes either gonna give it up late, or gallop like he usually does.

That wasnt a minor bump, thats a major unsettled break, and being pinched back and rushed

ddthetide · #16 03-15-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

i'm with you. he showed NO guts today at all. he'll never stand up to the bump and grind in a 20 horse field.

justindew · #17 03-15-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

i'm with you. he showed NO guts today at all. he'll never stand up to the bump and grind in a 20 horse field.

Horses with his running style are immune to the size of the field. If he breaks, it all comes down to whether or not anyone goes with him and whether or not he can last. If he can go 3/4s in under 1:11 and still be around a half-mile later, it doesn't matter if there are 5 or 50 horses behind him.

SentToStud · #18 03-15-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Horses with his running style are immune to the size of the field. If he breaks, it all comes down to whether or not anyone goes with him and whether or not he can last. If he can go 3/4s in under 1:11 and still be around a half-mile later, it doesn't matter if there are 5 or 50 horses behind him.

I bet against him today (Atoned) because, among other reasons, I thought he was susceptible to being between other speeds early today. The scenario you described for him running his race is pretty typical for any speedball. It's easy to pile on (1/9 horse with $600k in show bet losses) but I won't cause I like speed horses. But at a short price, he cannot be bet.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #19 03-15-2008, 06:47 PM

skip away ..nuff said....

hoovesupsideyourhead · #20 03-15-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

skip away ..nuff said....

exactly