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08-02-2006, 04:44 PM
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DTS, I have to respectfully disagree with some of what you've said, only because I was almost one of those Marines myself! The kids from my class ('99) signed up when our state was going through some economic problems. I'm from a farm town, and not a lot of people go to college after high school. Most come from military families, and that's where the kids go, too.
None of us had any idea in 1999 that we were going to go to war, but the sign-up contract is for six years with most branches of the service. I had good friends who never thought they'd actually fight wind up serving in both Afghanistan and Iraq. They are really psychologically messed up now, and I'm still counting my blessings for deciding to listen to my parents for once. You're right that deep down, they should maybe have thought there might actually be a war some day...but we grew up at the end of the Cold War. To us, there were no bad guys left, naive as that may sound. Plus, when you're 18, a lot of things make sense that seem really stupid when a few more years have passed. I despise this war and have from the very beginning, but I have sympathy for soldiers who are stuck, and particularly for the kids who have families to support and can't just disobey orders and drop out. I also have tons of respect for people who don't enlist. I respect the soldiers who believe in what they're doing, because whether or not I agree with them, it's their lives on the line. Everyone makes their choices. But there are so many people I know who would give it all to take back that moment when they signed on the contract. Just my two cents. Hope you don't mind.  
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08-02-2006, 05:09 PM
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Thanks for explaining where your thoughts come from. Mine come from a family that has served, going back to my Great grandfathers in Civil war, my grandfather in WWI, my Dad in WWII. All were officers. Then, during Viet Nam, I took a stand. I had many arguements with quite a few people, including my father, and several friends that thought it was completely worthwhile. Obviously, we all know how that turned out. Three of them came back in flag draped coffins for "proper burial". What a waste! They never got the chance to have wives, children. These were kids that grew up in "middle class" families, hoped to go to college on the GI bill when they got out...believed everything the recruiter threw at them. My friend, John, got himself ambushed in Laos trying to rescue parts from a blown up jeep. He lived. But he's never been the same since. Now he lives like a hermit on a mountainside, doesn't talk to very many. He once thought he was going to be an aireonautical (sp) engineer, and even went to Cal...St Luis Obismo to pursue that dream. No way... his mental state couldn't handle it. Excuse my rant, but I've seen far too many people destroyed by war, and their willingness to participate in it. Not much good comes out of it. That's the truth. Bad things happen when people believe in lies. DTS
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08-02-2006, 05:25 PM
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08-02-2006, 05:41 PM
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Yup, they're doing their job. Yup, they made a commitment. I fail to see the "honor". Lies are just that...LIES. To continue to believe that somehow they'll come true (click your heels together three times Dorothy and turn around) will not make the truth happen. Only when the curtain was torn back so that the "wizard" could be seen for the Oz he created exposed the reality. I'll repeat, there is no honor in lies. No truth in deception. No security in creating fear. The truth will stand on its own. I'm sick of those that make up excuses for attempting to "spin" it otherwise.
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08-02-2006, 05:51 PM
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08-02-2006, 07:39 PM
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Thank you so much for your judgements of me. Reread everything I said. Did I ever mention Rwanda? Katrina? Clinton? You seem intent on diverting attention from the words I have spoken, and also grasping for Wilson, FDR, Truman... Geesh! Please get beyond your distortions, accusations, and personal attacks. Those are more LIES!!!! Very obvious for those that know anything about debating and "staying on topic". Are you blaming me for creating a tsunami? A hurricane? "Good job, Brownie" are the words I heard. The kids that joined the military because they couldn't afford a college education without the benefits of the GI bill, or because they didn't have sufficient grades to get into their local community college are the ones you feel so sorry for as they sweat under the heavy gear in 110 heat in Iraq. I didn't create the economy where they were unable to find meaningful jobs. How come the military is now taking 42 year olds? If the military is so popular, explain why the standards for admission keep being reduced. Give me a break, Judgemeister. Each time you post something, you sound like a bigger and bigger idiot. You are trying to sound like God. Sorry to tell you, Bold Ruler, YOU'RE NOT! Never will be! If you have no knowledge of current events, there really is no point in further discussion. Your arguements are lame. I'll leave you with a quote that I previously posted. "He that argues with a fool also demonstrates that he is one". Done with you Bold God Ruler. Last edited by Downthestretch55 : 08-02-2006 at 07:49 PM.
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08-02-2006, 08:44 PM
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my son joined the military when he could have easily gone to college or gotten a job. it's what he wanted to do. just like my brother is a fireman because he wanted to be one. my dad was a policeman. my husband and i were both in, because we wanted it. didn't buy any lies, i didn't worry about the gi bill, neither did my husband.
people sometimes tend to try to simplify things, or label things. why people go into the military for instance. just because it doesn't appeal to some, doesn't mean it wouldn't appeal to anyone. my son is very smart, had enough intelligence to qualify for nuke training to work on the plants on aircraft carriers. he's no dummy, nor is he naive.
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Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. Abraham Lincoln
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08-03-2006, 04:03 PM
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08-03-2006, 04:50 PM
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Irish,
I'm sorry about your friend. Actually, I'm saddened by all the victims of war. There are far too many. I wish no disrepect for those that chose to serve our country, and I hope they return safely. I hope Danzig's son is safe and returns whole. Danzig explained his good motives. I read that, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Unfortunately, my experience has been somewhat clouded. My dad had two purple hearts. He suffered from the wounds for the rest of his life. That doesn't include waking up in the middle of the night to deal with the after effects of malaria. My brother served also. I didn't mention his involvement. Lets just say, he participated for "noble reasons", as do many others. He has "mental scars". I'm very happy that "agent orange", something that claimed a few of my friends later, (horrible deaths and two birth defects later), is not currently used. It does trouble me that when the full effects of using depleted uranium's are evidenced in future years, the tragedies will continue. Irish, please do all you can to inform those that see the "glory" of it all to realize what I've said above. "Nothing good comes from war." And when they tell you how "necessary" it is...it means they've not seen the real consequences. There are ways to deal with people that disagree with you besides attacking, hating, and killing. Talking is a good place to begin. Peace!
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08-03-2006, 06:51 PM
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"Talking is a good place to begin." -- Amen to that!
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08-03-2006, 06:58 PM
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AMEN!! (so be it)
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