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Old 03-11-2008, 02:46 PM
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David Carroll and derby contender goes together like ketchup and corn flakes.
Why? Don't think he learned anything under Shug and as Easy Goer's exercise rider?


Read Haskin 's piece.. Explains the decision:
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:50 PM
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Why? Don't think he learned anything under Shug and as Easy Goer's exercise rider?


Read Haskin 's piece.. Explains the decision:
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44021
I just think it's an insult to Shug to suggest an exercise rider in his barn can copy what he's done in his career. If it was that easy Honu would be a HOF trainer.

I've watched Carroll's horses and his insistence on having Larry Melancon ride them and am not convinced he can compete at the highest level.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:51 PM
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What about Tagg? He was Whitely's exercise rider at one time in his life...
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:53 PM
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Hes a very nice guy but he cannot compete at the top level. You are exactly right Pillow. His horses constantly underachieve.
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What about Tagg? He was Whitely's exercise rider at one time in his life...
I think it's an insult to Tagg to compare him to Carroll.
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:01 PM
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I think it's an insult to Tagg to compare him to Carroll.
You're right. I didn't take into account that Carroll isn't just starting out. Tagg is one of the best.
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:05 PM
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i hope he gets in. ive cashed on many a d c horse but not in any stakes races...
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:16 PM
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He always seems to have the stock, and doesnt seem to get the results Hooves.
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:21 PM
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You're right. I didn't take into account that Carroll isn't just starting out. Tagg is one of the best.
And of course every masterful horseman hits it big immediately when they start out... Like Barclay Tagg did, right? What were all those years at Liberty Bell and Bowie about then? Keeping a low profile I suppose...


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Old 03-11-2008, 03:18 PM
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I think it's an insult to Tagg to compare him to Carroll.
I've admired Tagg's ability for a long time, but it is amazing how a guy no one knew beyond PA, MD and NY before 2003 is now talked about so reverentially. He had only been training 30 years before Funny Cide showed up. Now beloved as a crusty character, up to 2003 he was best known as a SOB... for a variety of good reasons.

David Carroll has been training 15 years and has been a consistant 15% winner. He's won stakes when he's had opportunities with good horses. Have to say I'm a bit mystified by animosity directed towards him.
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I've admired Tagg's ability for a long time, but it is amazing how a guy no one knew beyond PA, MD and NY before 2003 is now talked about so reverentially. He had only been training 30 years before Funny Cide showed up. Now beloved as a crusty character, up to 2003 he was best known as a SOB... for a variety of good reasons.

David Carroll has been training 15 years and has been a consistant 15% winner. He's won stakes when he's had opportunities with good horses. Have to say I'm a bit mystified by animosity directed towards him.
I knew about Tagg well before 2003. And I tend to like SOB's rather than the ultra positive guys like Carroll who have good stock yet let Thorograph's dictate when and where that stock runs. I hope he was getting paid for that advertisement.

And really Carroll should have a consistant 15% clip with the stock he has. It's getting that stock to the next level that's been a problem. And with thorograph calling the shots that explains alot.
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I knew about Tagg well before 2003. And I tend to like SOB's rather than the ultra positive guys like Carroll who have good stock yet let Thorograph's dictate when and where that stock runs. I hope he was getting paid for that advertisement.

And really Carroll should have a consistant 15% clip with the stock he has. It's getting that stock to the next level that's been a problem. And with thorograph calling the shots that explains alot.

I believe Mike Ryan is still managing Warren's racing stable so that may have been pointed out by him.
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As Carroll indicated, the decision is being made by the connections as a team. And Frankel, Pletcher, Romans, Dutrow, Levine, and many more ALL make placement decisions with their stock based on the TG or Ragozin figures, and mention them as a matter of course. So don't make it out like Carroll is doing something bizarre or unheard of...
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I've admired Tagg's ability for a long time, . Now beloved as a crusty character, up to 2003 he was best known as a SOB... for a variety of good reasons.

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