The Friend's Lake Two Year Olds Look Pretty Good

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how surprising.

if i remember correctly friends lake won 1 meaningful race in his career, and his breeding is not very good, i dont have pp's but i am pretty sure. 450k seems like a lot, what is his stud fee ? cant be more then 15k

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

if i remember correctly friends lake won 1 meaningful race in his career, and his breeding is not very good, i dont have pp's but i am pretty sure. 450k seems like a lot

The horse in question sold for $140K as a yearling.

He obviously was impressive in his preview and has moved forward the last six months.

[slotdirt]

How is it so hard to figure out why a Friends Lake is selling for $450k? He was a GI winner by a GI winner out of a GI winner. Doesn't seem entirely unlikely to me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

How is it so hard to figure out why a Friends Lake is selling for $450k? He was a GI winner by a GI winner out of a GI winner. Doesn't seem entirely unlikely to me.

Not to over simplify it too much, but think of it this way - the horse sells for $140K six months ago because of his breeding, confirmation, and how he vets.

Last month - he gets entered in a 2yo sale. He flashes an impressive physique and works a furlong in 10 seconds flat ... showing excellent raw speed for a horse bred to get a distance of ground. He sells for 450K.

Had the same horse worked his furlong in 11 flat and not moved well in the process - he'd have most likely been A.) scratched from the sale. or B.) sold or RNA'd for about half of what he sold for as a yearling.

[slotdirt]

I don't disagree with you in the least. I'm just saying, in the grand scheme of things, is it really so unbelievable that a Friends Lake would sell for $450k? I would suggest it is not.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Zayat stables bought a Friends Lake yearling for $600K at Keeneland September last year.

The $140K yearling turned $450K 2yo buy that is talked about in this thread was only the 6th most expensive Friend's Lake yearling of 64 offered at public auction.

I agree with Rupert that his first crop are showing significantly more speed than what would be expected from them during these sales drills.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

if i remember correctly friends lake won 1 meaningful race in his career, and his breeding is not very good, i dont have pp's but i am pretty sure. 450k seems like a lot, what is his stud fee ? cant be more then 15k

15K is his fee. The owner of American Thoroughbred Review threw a fit over his stud fee back in 2005:

http://thoroughbredreview.com/FriendsLake3.htm

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

if i remember correctly friends lake won 1 meaningful race in his career, and his breeding is not very good, i dont have pp's but i am pretty sure. 450k seems like a lot, what is his stud fee ? cant be more then 15k

PG
For a socalled breeding expert you seem to be off the mark on Friends Lakes breeding. He is by AP Indy, the premier sire in American racing. He is out of Antespend who won 3 grade 1's and over 1 million dollars on the track. She has produced 3 foals of running age, one is FL, a grade 1 winner and another is Seeking the Ante who is a Grade 2 winner. Antespends dam, Auspiciante, was also a multiple grade 1 winner and graded stakes producer.

Friends Lake is the best looking stallion at Airdrie (IMO) is very well balanced and well made especially for a son of AP Indy. I would think that he has at least as good a chance as Proud Citizen or Harlans Holiday, both of which are Airdrie success stories with 1st crops as 3 year olds.

[blackthroatedwind]

I believe Friend's Lake was a homebred. How much do you think he would have sold for at public auction Chuck?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I believe Friend's Lake was a homebred. How much do you think he would have sold for at public auction Chuck?

Assuming that he looked as good as a yearling, 1 million easy.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I believe Friend's Lake was a homebred. How much do you think he would have sold for at public auction Chuck?

Mr J has to be tickled to death.. The horse was pretty much a Indy plotter..Didn't Mig win the Coalition with Seeking the Ante?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Didn't Mig win the Coalition with Seeking the Ante?

Freddy, what in the hell race are you talking about?

I'm hoping you mean the Cotillion Stakes (which is now a $750K stake by the way) .... but Seeking The Ante never won that.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I always thought the Cotillion was named after some famous old horse or broodmare.... turns out ....

"In the United States, Cotillion has become training that children and young adults attend to learn manners and proper social behavior in the context of formal dance. The participants dress up in formal attire and some cotillions emphasize the use of white gloves. Modern day Cotillion takes the form of classes and parties."

Ah, I'm sure Freddy and I and a few others missed out on those.

More importantly, they should rename that race The Coaliton.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy, what in the hell race are you talking about?

I'm hoping you mean the Cotillion Stakes (which is now a $750K stake by the way) .... but Seeking The Ante never won that.

Same difference leave me alone got crushed last nite at Poker played till 4am my son is sick and I had to take him to Dr this morning at 9am.. He probably caught your disease from touching my cell.

BTW I think??? I remember her race Mig went down to philly Park to race her it was a crappy field and I think it was in the slop.. She was no big deal either.. Mr. Broman I think bred her to SCat... Now that is a great cross Seeking to S'cat go see how many quality horses that cross has produced

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I feel your pain.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't know Cannon....

I'm pretty well aware of the positives about Friends Lake myself - and I still expected him to suck as a stallion.

He was an awful race horse. I have no idea where the speed in these drills are coming from with his babies.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know Cannon....

I'm pretty well aware of the positives about Friends Lake myself - and I still expected him to suck as a stallion.

He was an awful race horse. I have no idea where the speed in these drills are coming from with his babies.

He was no superstar but there is more than meets the eye concerning his handling.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know Cannon....

I'm pretty well aware of the positives about Friends Lake myself - and I still expected him to suck as a stallion.

He was an awful race horse. I have no idea where the speed in these drills are coming from with his babies.

I was not high on him initially but he has thrown nice horses who seem to have a lot more speed than he did.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He has an unraced half brother by Storm Cat named Rainmaker - stands for $1,500 in Louisianna.

Rainmaker actually had a filly sell for $77K, the sales topper at a Texas yearling sale.

The Cuvee's look pretty damn fast - but they certainly figured to be nothing if not fast.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He has an unraced half brother by Storm Cat named Rainmaker - stands for $1,500 in Louisianna.

Rainmaker actually had a filly sell for $77K, the sales topper at a Texas yearling sale.

I believe I watched this same filly work a furlong in 10 flat at OBS March.

It's bad enough the Friend's Lake's are working fast - but his blacksheep brother is even getting fast ones.