Religious Fanatics and War

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by irishtrekker

Thanks DTS. It's hard to explain how I feel, but I'm guessing maybe you understand how much it hurts sometimes, and how disheartening it can be to realize that some of the damage has spiralled beyond anyone's ability to curtail it. Dang, I'm not in a great mood today, am I?

Irish,
I don't think many are in a good mood. Might be the heat.
Lucky for most of us that we have ac and water...and yet over 160 have died due to the heat wave.
I shudder to think what it must be like in Gaza without electricity, water, sewage.
It's not within my ability to curtail it.. Danged frustrating!
DTS

[irishtrekker]

Yep. For some reason, that sudden realization of my own limitations to affect the world only hit me the last year or two. It's definitely frustrating, but what can you do except keep trying?

Well it is going to be 113-116 in Baghdad all week where Americans are, so it is nothing here in the US or in Israel/Lebanon where it is a cool 85. Try carrying around all that equipment surrounded by people that want to kill you in that heat, when you aren't even fighting for something to benefit you personally. That is difficult. The heat here and in Israel/Lebanon is nothing.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Well it is going to be 113-116 in Baghdad all week where Americans are, so it is nothing here in the US or in Israel/Lebanon where it is a cool 85. Try carrying around all that equipment surrounded by people that want to kill you in that heat, when you aren't even fighting for something to benefit you personally. That is difficult. The heat here and in Israel/Lebanon is nothing.

Bold Ruler,
You're kidding, right?
If you don't know the difference between those that signed up for a war of choice and those that have one imposed on them....
I really hope you're making a "joke". If you're not, you might consider enlisting too so you can "kick some rag-head" butts. Interesting to me what some people will put themselves through because of their "beliefs".
Go Dubbya! This insanity will end sooner or later.

I hope you said this as a "joke". Not funny at all. Insane is the right word.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Bold Ruler,
You're kidding, right?
If you don't know the difference between those that signed up for a war of choice and those that have one imposed on them....
I really hope you're making a "joke". If you're not, you might consider enlisting too so you can "kick some rag-head" butts. Interesting to me what some people will put themselves through because of their "beliefs".
Go Dubbya! This insanity will end sooner or later.

I hope you said this as a "joke". Not funny at all. Insane is the right word.

The fact is that most guys/gals in Iraq never wanted to fight this ridiculous war. They are great people that did what their government asked them to do. You and I are sitting around in airconditioning talking about horses and they are helping civilians in Iraq put their life back together or in many cases get a life for the first time.

You sound like the typical liberal that is blaming soldiers and marines saying they all want to "kick some rag-head" butts, but 90% of them are good people who are trying to help the average Iraqi try to get a normal life.

They signed up to protect america, their commander and chief just has a delusional view of what that means.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by boldruler

The fact is that most guys/gals in Iraq never wanted to fight this ridiculous war. They are great people that did what their government asked them to do. You and I are sitting around in airconditioning talking about horses and they are helping civilians in Iraq put their life back together or in many cases get a life for the first time.

You sound like the typical liberal that is blaming soldiers and marines saying they all want to "kick some rag-head" butts, but 90% of them are good people who are trying to help the average Iraqi try to get a normal life.

They signed up to protect america, their commander and chief just has a delusional view of what that means.

Bold Ruler,
First of all, don't label me. I am not a typical liberal nor a typical conservative.
You've heard it as many times as I have that their efforts are "protecting America".
I really don't see it.
These are kids that couldn't find real jobs in the "booming economy". They weighed their options and signed up to participate in the "fool's errand".
They bought into the propaganda, as have so many others that will probably respond to this post.
The best thing that could happen to "help the average Iraqui try to have a normal life" would be to get all of our brave military out of there as soon as possible. We can not intervene in a civil war. We did not find weapons of mass destruction. There was no yellow cake.
Sure, they're just taking orders. So were those at Nuremburg.
Our real "war criminal" needs to be put on trial so that the confidence of the world will again be restored to trust in the benificence of the USA...
until then...the "fool's errand" will continue.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Bold Ruler,
First of all, don't label me. I am not a typical liberal nor a typical conservative.
You've heard it as many times as I have that their efforts are "protecting America".
I really don't see it.
These are kids that couldn't find real jobs in the "booming economy". They weighed their options and signed up to participate in the "fool's errand".
They bought into the propaganda, as have so many others that will probably respond to this post.
The best thing that could happen to "help the average Iraqui try to have a normal life" would be to get all of our brave military out of there as soon as possible. We can not intervene in a civil war. We did not find weapons of mass destruction. There was no yellow cake.
Sure, they're just taking orders. So were those at Nuremburg.
Our real "war criminal" needs to be put on trial so that the confidence of the world will again be restored to trust in the benificence of the USA...
until then...the "fool's errand" will continue.

Comparing our troops to those at Nuremburg is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. How do you know these are kids that couldn't find real jobs in the booming economy? That is almost as dumb as your Nuremburg statement. The military is an excellent way for people to gain skills and to get money for college. This isn't a low-tech military, many of these guys/girls are graduates of some of the finest universities in the country.

I personally think we should just get the hell out too, but the members of the military answer to the President. That is the way it works. You have no idea if they bought into any propoganda. If they did or didn't they still have to take orders. You can't have a military where people just do whatever they want to do. Most think the war is a joke, but you aren't going to hear that, you are only going to get the story the President and Fox News want to get out there. Do you really think they rather be in 110 degree heat than at home with their families?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Comparing our troops to those at Nuremburg is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. How do you know these are kids that couldn't find real jobs in the booming economy? That is almost as dumb as your Nuremburg statement. The military is an excellent way for people to gain skills and to get money for college. This isn't a low-tech military, many of these guys/girls are graduates of some of the finest universities in the country.

I personally think we should just get the hell out too, but the members of the military answer to the President. That is the way it works. You have no idea if they bought into any propoganda. If they did or didn't they still have to take orders. You can't have a military where people just do whatever they want to do. Most think the war is a joke, but you aren't going to hear that, you are only going to get the story the President and Fox News want to get out there. Do you really think they rather be in 110 degree heat than at home with their families?

Bold Ruler,
First of all, if you "graduate from one of the best universities", does it mean that you have a piece of parchment or a brain that is capable of thinking on its own?
Secondly, noone put a gun to their head to sign on the dotted line. They put themselves into that situation willingly. They either bought the propaganda or the "promises" of the recruiter. Either way, they're sweating their buns off in the 110 degree heat for making that decision. I didn't make it for them.
Third, I should be "ashamed"? Why? Because I speak the truth?
If you say I'm "dumb" for calling out the carnage that has been caused...
I don't think there's much more to talk about.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the United States put German leaders on
trial for going along with the decisions of their nazi leaders? Is Saddam Hussain on trial for exactly the same now?
I can't wait until Geo W shows up in the Hague to answer for his actions.

Shame on me??? I don't think so. I didn't make this tragedy...and it's not for me to answer for it.