Grade 1 Winners Mystery Question

King Glorious · #1 03-07-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

Happens all the time in South America. They do dirt to grass alot.

Jones felt that Hard Spun would have been a world class grass miler.

They do dirt to grass there. In the rest of the world, they do females against males all the time. They do 3yo's against older all the time. I've even seen a couple of 2yo's facing older horses in some of their sprint stakes. It makes me glad that horses like Ouija Board and Miesque and Ridgewood Pearl were campaigned over there instead of over here because they weren't limited to our silly traditions.

We had a stretch here from 1982 to 1996 where the Met Mile was won by Conquistador Cielo, Gulch, Dixie Brass, Holy Bull, and Honour and Glory. Housebuster ran second. All 3yo's. But for some reason, running a good 3yo in the race has fallen out of favor and I don't understand why. A 3yo gets something like a 13 pound allowance from older horses on the scale. That's huge. If I had a horse like War Pass and he lost the Derby, I'd be headed right for the Met. Back in 2004, I very nearly went to my knees to beg this guy to run Lion Heart in the Met after he lost the Derby but they insisted on the Preakness. Damn traditions.

Sightseek · #2 03-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Dark Mirage...anyone have her PP's?

Linny · #3 03-07-2008, 02:29 PM

There are fewer options for fillies in Europe against their own gender. Similarly, once the classics are run the 3yo's dont have tons of places to go against just each other.
They don't really have the equivalent of the Travers or Swaps or King's Bishop to run for. I love seeing 3yo's in the Met. Invariable the 3yo Met winner gets toasted in races like the Wood or the Blue Grass when they should be reading to go an all out blast for a mile at the end of May.

Antitrust32 · #4 03-07-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

They do dirt to grass there. In the rest of the world, they do females against males all the time. They do 3yo's against older all the time. I've even seen a couple of 2yo's facing older horses in some of their sprint stakes. It makes me glad that horses like Ouija Board and Miesque and Ridgewood Pearl were campaigned over there instead of over here because they weren't limited to our silly traditions.

We had a stretch here from 1982 to 1996 where the Met Mile was won by Conquistador Cielo, Gulch, Dixie Brass, Holy Bull, and Honour and Glory. Housebuster ran second. All 3yo's. But for some reason, running a good 3yo in the race has fallen out of favor and I don't understand why. A 3yo gets something like a 13 pound allowance from older horses on the scale. That's huge. If I had a horse like War Pass and he lost the Derby, I'd be headed right for the Met. Back in 2004, I very nearly went to my knees to beg this guy to run Lion Heart in the Met after he lost the Derby but they insisted on the Preakness. Damn traditions.

Honey Rider never raced against males.

blackthroatedwind · #5 03-07-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Honey Rider never raced against males.

That would be incorrect.

Antitrust32 · #6 03-07-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That would be incorrect.

sorry i meant honey rYder. I was contradicting what he said but sarcasm doesnt go well with typing. maybe i should have used one of these

blackthroatedwind · #7 03-07-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

sorry i meant honey rYder. I was contradicting what he said but sarcasm doesnt go well with typing. maybe i should have used one of these

I assume you are talking about the Todd Pletcher horse.....and she raced twice against the boys last year.

Antitrust32 · #8 03-07-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I assume you are talking about the Todd Pletcher horse.....and she raced twice against the boys last year.

didnt she run more than twice with the boys?

blackthroatedwind · #9 03-07-2008, 02:45 PM

You are right....at least three. I forgot about Florida when she was second to Jambalaya. She also ran in Dubai and the UN at Monmouth.

King Glorious · #10 03-07-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

sorry i meant honey rYder. I was contradicting what he said but sarcasm doesnt go well with typing. maybe i should have used one of these

I don't get the need for the sarcasm. I didn't say that it NEVER happens. I said that I think more females could be successful if given the opportunities.