For Blackthroat & Big Brown (104 BSF) fans

freddymo · #1 03-06-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 03-06-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

freddymo · #3 03-06-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him. Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

You know I am new around here and i am bored enough to pleasure myself with this BS..." Your Connections" lol

kentuckyrosesinmay · #4 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You know I am new around here and i am bored enough to pleasure myself with this BS..." Your Connections" lol

Ok...the people that I was hanging out with at the time...

blackthroatedwind · #5 03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #6 03-06-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

Name the horse that I was wrong about when I picked them out off of their maiden win.

freddymo · #7 03-06-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

You know if she gets together with the 9 for 9 guy they would as FMO likes to say be "perfect together"

philcski · #8 03-06-2008, 11:58 AM

104 Beyer for yesterday's performance.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #9 03-06-2008, 12:02 PM

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

freddymo · #10 03-06-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

blackthroatedwind · #11 03-06-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

Or like when I said on my show after Cool Coal Man finished fourth in his debut that he could go on to be a stakes winner.

It is only in seeing what isn't obvious that is useful.

blackthroatedwind · #12 03-06-2008, 12:10 PM

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #13 03-06-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

That is true. But, not very many can do it when the horses don't run fast times or have that great of Beyers first time out...at least, not that I have ever seen.

This was the case with some of the horses that I named. I threw them out there, and you won't find one horse that I picked out off their maiden win and posted on this board where that horse didn't turn out to be really good.

Where was everyone else saying that Rags to Riches was a great filly off of her maiden win? I had just one reply to that thread. Just one. No one else was even talking about her at the time.

And sometimes good Beyers and fast times don't mean anything first time out. Beyers are often wrong, and tracks often play faster sometimes than others.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #14 03-06-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

Who is better in your opinion. Who would you take...Big Brown or War Pass?

freddymo · #15 03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

Please let us know how much faster a colt runs when whipped slashed and urged? A tired horse can be urged to extend himself for a few more yards beyond his mental and physical make up a fresh colt loaded with run isnt going to sprout wings because some yahoo jock cracks him on the ass or finishes him out.. Perhap you and or your connections should review less Xrays and watch more race replays....

King Glorious · #16 03-06-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

I am absolutely sure that if I live to be 1000 years old, I will never read anything funnier than this post here.

Unless she decides to post again.

blackthroatedwind · #17 03-06-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

It's always funny to hear this stuff. What's even funnier is when you hear it from the same nitwits who mistakenly thought that about Bernardini, even though they were repeatedly told they were wrong, only to find out he did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races.

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #18 03-06-2008, 11:47 AM

easy on bern..he did do enough......and if ivasor didnt skip the race at belmont we may have had a different outcome in the bcc

the_fat_man · #19 03-06-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's always funny to hear this stuff. What's even funnier is when you hear it from the same nitwits who mistakenly thought that about Bernardini, even though they were repeatedly told they were wrong, only to find out he did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races.

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

Now, I'm confused. How did we find that Bernie did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races? Based on some of your previous comments that Bernie got a horrendous trip in the BC, I assumed that it would follow that he was good enough to have won with a better timed trip.

miraja2 · #20 03-06-2008, 12:19 PM

Were there a lot of people that were NOT impressed by Curlin's debut?

This is crazy. I am pretty sure that I thought Discreet Cat was going to be good after his debut too. Same with Artie Schiller.

When horses run really fast, you can sometimes recognize that they did so? Congratulations.

Why do you insist on making every thread you participate in about you and your "record?" It is really tiresome and no longer even entertaining.