For Blackthroat & Big Brown (104 BSF) fans

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

I'm glad this one made it back to the track, and also Zada Belle. Now if Gilchrist could only get Indyanne straight, and a certain trainer could get his monster to the races...that would be great! Also would like to see Magnificience come back.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him. Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

You know I am new around here and i am bored enough to pleasure myself with this BS..." Your Connections" lol

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You know I am new around here and i am bored enough to pleasure myself with this BS..." Your Connections" lol

Ok...the people that I was hanging out with at the time...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

Name the horse that I was wrong about when I picked them out off of their maiden win.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And you wonder why you are the board laughingstock.

You know if she gets together with the 9 for 9 guy they would as FMO likes to say be "perfect together"

[philcski]

104 Beyer for yesterday's performance.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Here are horses that I have put up on the board that I picked off of their maiden wins to be good/great horses.

Lady Joanne
Welcome Inn (stakes winner)
Day Pass (stakes winner)
Rags to Riches (only had one reply to that post)(said she was the best filly that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Curlin(said that he was one of the best horses that I had ever seen off maiden win)
Ravel
Zada Belle
Indyanne

You can find all of this information in various posts throughout the years.

I haven't given out that many. Just a few. I don't like to give the horses out anymore because my knowledge in this area isn't appreciated. Now, I only throw one out there every once in awhile. Big Brown=monster. Now watch it all unfold in the next couple of months. Call me a novice all you want to. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. I'm not the one that was completely wrong about Lawyer Ron. I have never been wrong like that about a horse's talent. Winning particular races...yes. But, not with overall talent.

You would be my hero if you were able to post maiden winners who BSF are 95 or greater and who are going to be Frogs.. Then I could trim your roses with pleasure...

[blackthroatedwind]

Any idiot can see a horse run a fast race and declare " this is a good horse. " That kind of insight is useless.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

Please let us know how much faster a colt runs when whipped slashed and urged? A tired horse can be urged to extend himself for a few more yards beyond his mental and physical make up a fresh colt loaded with run isnt going to sprout wings because some yahoo jock cracks him on the ass or finishes him out.. Perhap you and or your connections should review less Xrays and watch more race replays....

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

This horse is a monster. My record in these things on this board speak for itself. I have never been wrong about a horse's talent on this board. Every horse that I have said was extremely talented off their maiden win has gone on to be multiple stakes winners except for Indyanne and Zada Belle. Hopefully, both will have their chance.

I am absolutely sure that if I live to be 1000 years old, I will never read anything funnier than this post here.











Unless she decides to post again.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If DrugS says the colt was no big deal then he was no big deal at the sale. Lets see him run 1/2 a mile with WP and live to tell about it before we suggest he is a MONSTER. Impressive yes Monster maybe...BTW this "never asked to run" BS has to stop are you suggesting the colt was idling?

It's always funny to hear this stuff. What's even funnier is when you hear it from the same nitwits who mistakenly thought that about Bernardini, even though they were repeatedly told they were wrong, only to find out he did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races.

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

easy on bern..he did do enough......and if ivasor didnt skip the race at belmont we may have had a different outcome in the bcc

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's always funny to hear this stuff. What's even funnier is when you hear it from the same nitwits who mistakenly thought that about Bernardini, even though they were repeatedly told they were wrong, only to find out he did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races.

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

Now, I'm confused. How did we find that Bernie did in fact run as fast as he could in all his races? Based on some of your previous comments that Bernie got a horrendous trip in the BC, I assumed that it would follow that he was good enough to have won with a better timed trip.

[miraja2]

Were there a lot of people that were NOT impressed by Curlin's debut?

This is crazy. I am pretty sure that I thought Discreet Cat was going to be good after his debut too. Same with Artie Schiller.

When horses run really fast, you can sometimes recognize that they did so? Congratulations.

Why do you insist on making every thread you participate in about you and your "record?" It is really tiresome and no longer even entertaining.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

I'm just starting to read this thread - and it really feels like I'm going to be in for a treat.

And since BTW was kind enough to point out a past midnight blunder by myself last night - I will single him out for being dumb enough to take KyRim's word that Big Brown was actually "never asked to run" and "hard held through the stretch" in his under-tack preview.

KYRIM, in her wisdom, thinks she has complete deniability to say something like that because video of said workout is no longer available on the Keeneland website or anywhere else on the internet - and who around here really is going to remember the drill?

It's too bad I had notes on his work, and it's too bad TVG showed the '07 Kee April under-tack preview last year, and it's too bad I taped it and still haven't recorded over it - thus meaning I can still watch it again and make sure I wasn't tripping when I was taking notes.

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm just starting to read this thread - and it really feels like I'm going to be in for a treat.

And since BTW was kind enough to point out a past midnight blunder by myself last night - I will single him out for being dumb enough to take KyRim's word that Big Brown was actually "never asked to run" and "hard held through the stretch" in his under-tack preview.

KYRIM, in her wisdom, thinks she has complete deniability to say something like that because video of said workout is no longer available on the Keeneland website or anywhere else on the internet - and who around here really is going to remember the drill?

It's too bad I had notes on his work, and it's too bad TVG showed the '07 Kee April under-tack preview last year, and it's too bad I taped it and still haven't recorded over it - thus meaning I can still watch it again and make sure I wasn't tripping when I was taking notes.

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

I never said that. I was talking about his Gulfstream race....not his workout video. I have to pull the Keeneland preview video that the sale sends out back out because I don't remember what his workout looks like. I thought you went to the sales and got the videos? Or got the preview videos sent in the mail? I didn't even know TVG showed the Keeneland workout previews. I guess I'll have to watch them this year on TVG.

The Keeneland previews are available to me because I have a video from the sale. They give them out in DVD form. However, I have not looked at it in awhile.

Now, I'm confused about what your point is or BTW's point is...

What are ya'll's points exactly?

Please pull up the post back up in this thread where I said the things that you thought I said about his workout video.