How Many Points

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Again, the bolded part makes me seriously question if you've ever actually seen him play. OF course, his athleticism certainly doesn't hurt his game. He's a very smart player however who in all honesty works to get better and has every year. He has been ludicrously consistent this year night in and night out. Every player in the game bricks it now and then as does he...but this guy...very rarely.

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

He always works on his shooting. My guess is he will never in his entire career be as good a pure shooter as Kobe...but he is not as far as people think...(nor is he nearly as bad a shooter as some think.) I'm not sure what his issues are shooting free throws either...he's not a disgrace doing it, but nowhere near where a premiere player should be. I'm obviously biased, but I think his overall court presence is better than Kobe and his passing is better than Kobe. Kobe is a good passer, but not as good as LeBron.

I'm fine with Kobe winning MVP. He is certainly not undeserving in any way. He plays a rougher schedule than LeBron which has to be factored into the equation as well. That being said however, the Cavs do have road wins in San Antonio, Dallas and LA this year.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

He always works on his shooting. My guess is he will never in his entire career be as good a pure shooter as Kobe...but he is not as far as people think...(nor is he nearly as bad a shooter as some think.) I'm not sure what his issues are shooting free throws either...he's not a disgrace doing it, but nowhere near where a premiere player should be. I'm obviously biased, but I think his overall court presence is better than Kobe and his passing is better than Kobe. Kobe is a good passer, but not as good as LeBron.

I'm fine with Kobe winning MVP. He is certainly not undeserving in any way. He plays a rougher schedule than LeBron which has to be factored into the equation as well. That being said however, the Cavs do have road wins in San Antonio, Dallas and LA this year.

They beat SA both regular season games
last year. I like the Cavs. I like Lebron.
I have to with all the San Antonio connections
on the coaching staff. Those are very decent fellows.
I really wish the Spurs had the curly head man for defense
and energy.

Kobe is the MVP though.
I just dont see how it cant be.
I will even wager Mr. Cannon.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They beat SA both regular season games
last year. I like the Cavs. I like Lebron.
I have to with all the San Antonio connections
on the coaching staff. Those are very decent fellows.
I really wish the Spurs had the curly head man for defense
and energy.

Kobe is the MVP though.
I just dont see how it cant be.
I will even wager Mr. Cannon.

Without the Gasol trade, Kobe is not even in the top 5. That is why awards voted on by writers are a joke. Kobe had a better year last year yet all of a sudden he is the MVP? He is not even the MVP of the West. That would be Chris Paul.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Without the Gasol trade, Kobe is not even in the top 5. That is why awards voted on by writers are a joke. Kobe had a better year last year yet all of a sudden he is the MVP? He is not even the MVP of the West. That would be Chris Paul.

The Lakers had a better record than Cleveland without Gasol playing in the WEST. You cant be serious.
Who is watching too much ESPN...?

Chris Paul.

I actually could go with that.
But in the playoffs he finds a diff. world
which is why the Hornets go down 2nd round.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The Lakers had a better record than Cleveland without Gasol playing in the WEST. You cant be serious.
Who is watching too much ESPN...?

Chris Paul.

I actually could go with that.
But in the playoffs he finds a diff. world
which is why the Hornets go down 2nd round.

You cant choose MVP on what might happen in the playoffs. The Lakers also have better players at every position except one and are far superior in head coaching dont ya think?

[King Glorious]

I'm absolutely convinced that Pgardn and Stevie Wonder have watched the same number of basketball games.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You cant choose MVP on what might happen in the playoffs. The Lakers also have better players at every position except one and are far superior in head coaching dont ya think?

Of course you cant.

But because it is not regular season,
one gets a better idea of how good a
player really is under pressure. 82 regular games
is way too many to take seriously.

No I think West is much better than Odom as a forward.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

Well when you just see highlights on ESPN that is all they show. For a guy that occasionally forces his jumper and at times has been the only viable offensive option on the court almost shooting 49% is pretty good.

Kobe is a streak shooter, always has been, always will be. When he is hot he can be unstoppable from just about anywhere. But he will throw a 10 for 28 at you, hence the 45% from the field. He is also not a great 3 point shooter. He is as was pointed out excellent from the line.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well when you just see highlights on ESPN that is all they show. For a guy that occasionally forces his jumper and at times has been the only viable offensive option on the court almost shooting 49% is pretty good.

Kobe is a streak shooter, always has been, always will be. When he is hot he can be unstoppable from just about anywhere. But he will throw a 10 for 28 at you, hence the 45% from the field. He is also not a great 3 point shooter. He is as was pointed out excellent from the line.

Lebron should be shooting over 50%. If he did not force his
jumper and then just flat out miss his jumper, He would be shooting
over 50%. If Lebron shot as many outside shots as Kobe he would
be shooting under 40%.
YOu are telling me Lebron is a better outside shooter
than Kobe? No way, no how.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lebron should be shooting over 50%. If he did not force his
jumper and then just flat out miss his jumper, He would be shooting
over 50%. If Lebron shot as many outside shots as Kobe he would
be shooting under 40%.
YOu are telling me Lebron is a better outside shooter
than Kobe? No way, no how.

No one said that he was a better outside shooter than Kobe but the difference is not that great and is shrinking. his shot selection is better than Kobe's (not that that is saying much). Lebron does take a lot of outside shots, of course if you watched the games you would know this.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lebron does take a lot of outside shots, of course if you watched the games you would know this.

Yes.
This is what I said.
TOO many.
He SHOULD be shooting OVER 50%
with the number of pure athletic bull drive points makes.

I am getting confused as to who watches the games.
I thought I was an addict. I guess you have 5 games going
at once. I cant match that pace. One game at a time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes.
This is what I said.
TOO many.
He SHOULD be shooting OVER 50%
with the number of pure athletic bull drive points makes.

I am getting confused as to who watches the games.
I thought I was an addict. I guess you have 5 games going
at once. I cant match that pace. One game at a time.

Dont you think that in order to get the lanes to drive you need to keep the defense honest? Dont you think in an 82 game season that getting hammered on his way to the hoop more than he already does would be detremental? Sometimes i think you forget that the NBA is not girls high school games and there are lots of reason why things are done that may not be readily apparent unless you understand this and realize that there is a big picture outside of the game in front of you.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont you think that in order to get the lanes to drive you need to keep the defense honest? Dont you think in an 82 game season that getting hammered on his way to the hoop more than he already does would be detremental? Sometimes i think you forget that the NBA is not girls high school games and there are lots of reason why things are done that may not be readily apparent unless you understand this and realize that there is a big picture outside of the game in front of you.

Holy cow I just read this and said the same thing about Kobe.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes.
This is what I said.
TOO many.
He SHOULD be shooting OVER 50%
with the number of pure athletic bull drive points makes.

I am getting confused as to who watches the games.
I thought I was an addict. I guess you have 5 games going
at once. I cant match that pace. One game at a time.

You want to talk about too many jumpers, look no further than Kobe Bryant. He's unstoppable off of the dribble and can get to the basket whenever he wants to, as evidenced by his 27 ft attempts against Dallas, yet he settles FAR too many times for 3pt shots.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You want to talk about too many jumpers, look no further than Kobe Bryant. He's unstoppable off of the dribble and can get to the basket whenever he wants to, as evidenced by his 27 ft attempts against Dallas, yet he settles FAR too many times for 3pt shots.

Yes and he will get physically pummeled because he is not nearly as strong as Lebron. And he has Gasol now.

And who in the crap cannot go to the basket against Dallas? Think about who you are playing for God's sake. Exactly who on Dallas patrols the middle? Mudman, Dampier? Slow as molasses. Which player cannot go to the hoop on Dallas. Dirk is going to miss a game because he is playing enforcer for christ's sake.

You are sinking here.