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Old 08-01-2006, 10:04 PM
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Hes either a liar or incompetent in this case. Once the figs come out if he has indeed run his usual race I will retract every statement and offer Mea Culpas. So if the figs come out lower will that be an indication that he did NOT run his typical race? Or is it just that its that way because you say so?

Nothing like being a man of one's word.
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:17 PM
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Jerry will give me the number if I call him ( I'm also sure Byk can get it ) but they probably haven't even done it yet.

The race was pretty fast and anyone that understands comparing relative time knows that. You don't need the actual figs to know that Songster's effort matches up reasonably well to his previous ones. It's merely a question of objectivity.
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:32 PM
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Jerry will give me the number if I call him ( I'm also sure Byk can get it ) but they probably haven't even done it yet.

The race was pretty fast and anyone that understands comparing relative time knows that. You don't need the actual figs to know that Songster's effort matches up reasonably well to his previous ones. It's merely a question of objectivity.
Alright, I'll let you guys take care of it....I am doing the grunt work of the TG vs Rags study, pretty interesting stuff going on there
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:34 PM
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Black, you play with TG's?
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:38 PM
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Black, you play with TG's?
No! I believe in the accuracy of speed figures in general but they are at best a very small part of my handicapping.
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:40 PM
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They improved my handicapping 10 fold, but I have noticed I have become reliant on them, and not even looking at PP's anymore, and it has cost me
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:41 PM
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Songster went way too fast. Not only did he run the half in :44 1/5(actually :44 2/5 because the actual number was 44.38), but he was three-wide all the way around the turn. Not only that, the track was dead yesterday. Considering that he went three-wide and the track was dead, his half-mile played like a :43 3/5 on a normal track. That's just way too fast for him. He normally runs the half in :45. He's gone :44 3/5 a couple of times but that was at 7 furlongs where more of the first half-mile is run on a straightaway and not around a turn. In addition, it was at Gulfstream which was playing 1000x faster than Saratoga was playing yesterday. Songster basically ran his half-mile yesterday about 5-6 lengths faster than normal.

Anyway, Songster got very tired yesterday but what would you expect with him setting those suicide fractions.

I have no idea how good of a trainer Albertrani is, but his losing with Songster yesterday doesn't prove anything. Pletcher has probably lost 200 times with odds-on favorites. That doesn't mean anything.
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Old 08-02-2006, 03:48 AM
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I don't care to get into a long response to any part of the talk here except in one area. Tom Albertrani is neither a liar nor incompetant. He is in fact one of the most gracious, decent, humble and genuine people I've come across in the industry, and he enjoys the confidence and respect of some of the most important people in the business. And that opinion is shared by everyone with even a modicum of contact with the backstretch. I certainly hope the bile spewed above is one born of frustration over an excruciating loss and will at some point be modified or retracted. Personally, I find it as insulting and lowbrow as the swipes taken by ladbrooke at First Samurai the other day.

As an aside to Mike, what you've written here is well beneath you.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:00 AM
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I don't care to get into a long response to any part of the talk here except in one area. Tom Albertrani is neither a liar nor incompetant. He is in fact one of the most gracious, decent, humble and genuine people I've come across in the industry, and he enjoys the confidence and respect of some of the most important people in the business. And that opinion is shared by everyone with even a modicum of contact with the backstretch. I certainly hope the bile spewed above is one born of frustration over an excruciating loss and will at some point be modified or retracted. Personally, I find it as insulting and lowbrow as the swipes taken by ladbrooke at First Samurai the other day.

As an aside to Mike, what you've written here is well beneath you.
Steve,
If hes such a friend why not ask him how tight he was for that race personally? IF he tells you he had the horse as tight as he told the public he was in the DRf I will retract it, otherwise hes a stone cold liar.
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Old 08-02-2006, 11:13 AM
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Steve,
If hes such a friend why not ask him how tight he was for that race personally? IF he tells you he had the horse as tight as he told the public he was in the DRf I will retract it, otherwise hes a stone cold liar.
Bernardini sure looked tight enough coming off a similar layoff, and he was going a lot further than Songster had to go.....I really think this colt was compromised by the trip....I really do, Mike....look how much longer he lasted in the stretch in relation to the others that contested the early pace.....he got ambushed by the short field and the fact that all riders wanted to go to the lead and Borel capitalized on it.....
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Old 08-02-2006, 11:23 AM
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Why not give the winner some credit. He ran a hell of a race.

Albertrani who trains Songster, said: "I thought he was in great position. Edgar said he responded but the other horse just outran him."

Sounds like the better horse won. Songster ran his usual nice figure, just wasn't good enough.
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