Ramon D. regarding Champs Elysees

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

It's neither here nor there with me, as I had no dog in the fight.

In other related news though...Mike Mitchell is leading candidate for trainer of the year

Ever A F*cking Friend....grade 1 winner...damn

Re: Mike Mitchell....Now, I am the last person to come to a defense of an assumed drugger, but I got curious after reading this, especially given that you chased that damn horse ever race that he has ran in. I looked on www.chrb.ca.gov under admin hearings, which is where they post all drug positives and fines. Mitchell has recieved ZERO at Del Mar, 3 at Hollywood since 2004 (one of them for meds) and 4 at Santa Anita (one for meds). He got fined for failure to report a gelded horse (my guess is that this can be considered common), one for entering an non-eligible horse, and two for milkshaking the horse.

Now, I am most definitely not saying that he is a saint, but given that they haven't caught this guy with a serious positive, I might become more inclined in his ability.

[Sightseek]

I think Champs Elysees is a nice horse....

[Indian Charlie]

1. Baze rode the race perfectly. If he'd have fought his horse, the result would have been worse. He let a free running front runner do just that.

2. My question for Dominguez would be "Yeah, you may have broken flat footed, but why the hell did you feel the need to be 30 back halfway through the race?"

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think Champs Elysees is a nice horse....

I agree 100%. He will win several more graded races.jmvhfo

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Scav

Re: Mike Mitchell....Now, I am the last person to come to a defense of an assumed drugger, but I got curious after reading this, especially given that you chased that damn horse ever race that he has ran in. I looked on www.chrb.ca.gov under admin hearings, which is where they post all drug positives and fines. Mitchell has recieved ZERO at Del Mar, 3 at Hollywood since 2004 (one of them for meds) and 4 at Santa Anita (one for meds). He got fined for failure to report a gelded horse (my guess is that this can be considered common), one for entering an non-eligible horse, and two for milkshaking the horse.

Now, I am most definitely not saying that he is a saint, but given that they haven't caught this guy with a serious positive, I might become more inclined in his ability.

I have been around Santa Anita since 1973 and Mike Mitchell was the claiming king for years, but couldn't get anybody to give him good babys or good older horses. Today we can say Mike is a trainer that is always on the cutting edge.

[the_fat_man]

What doesn't make sense to me is that MJ ran a slow 1st QTR split on the straight (and slight decline on the start) then runs a very fast 2nd QTR, essentially on the 1st turn. Exactly where he lost the race. So, the horse relaxes on the straight but takes off on the turn? Yeah


Check out the chart

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

Re: Mike Mitchell....Now, I am the last person to come to a defense of an assumed drugger, but I got curious after reading this, especially given that you chased that damn horse ever race that he has ran in. I looked on www.chrb.ca.gov under admin hearings, which is where they post all drug positives and fines. Mitchell has recieved ZERO at Del Mar, 3 at Hollywood since 2004 (one of them for meds) and 4 at Santa Anita (one for meds). He got fined for failure to report a gelded horse (my guess is that this can be considered common), one for entering an non-eligible horse, and two for milkshaking the horse.

Now, I am most definitely not saying that he is a saint, but given that they haven't caught this guy with a serious positive, I might become more inclined in his ability.

Im more inclined to believe the person that told me he was a cheat.

Honestly...how many guys move up turf horses off Mott?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Im more inclined to believe the person that told me he was a cheat.

Honestly...how many guys move up turf horses off Mott?

Oh easy 'inside information on the net' guy...

I wasn't saying he wasn't one, just saying that the evidence isn't there as far as convictions

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

Oh easy 'inside information on the net' guy...

I wasn't saying he wasn't one, just saying that the evidence isn't there as far as convictions

who said anything about the net?


Do you know who I am?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

who said anything about the net?


Do you know who I am?

I don't care if you were Pope John the 8 million, Willie Shoemaker, or the black Jesus Christ...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GPK

Im more inclined to believe the person that told me he was a cheat.

Honestly...how many guys move up turf horses off Mott?

Wolfson, Mapproval

[Bobby Fischer]

Mitchell is a better horseman than most of his competition, he also is very good with horses who have pain or injuries. He also has a good eye at finding a horse who has talent but is limited or even innactive due to pain or injuries. Also good with and prefers runners/jockeys who finish races willingly. Whatever methods he uses to get these animals pain-free, or whether horses with problems should be running 110% is up to you guys to figure out.

[freddymo]

Ramon perhaps if the horse was 25 lengths off the lead instead of 40 I would have won a ton of american dollars. Ramon go home I have no clue why Frankel loves this guy so much?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wolfson, Mapproval

touche'

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GPK

touche'

When you cheat less it's harder to win.

Speaking of which I am thinking about Pitching Game Face as Pletchers juice cycle seems to have peaked..lol