CA steroids

[Riot]

"Trainers are asking how close can we dance to the fire without getting burned," he added. "I'm not totally sympathetic. If you don't use anabolic steroids, you won't get a positive. It's that simple." [/i]

Yes, the "simplistic" solution is to also punish people who use these drugs for legal, legitimate, veterinary-supervised, FDA-approved therapeutic usage in the horse. And to prevent horses that medically need these drugs from receiving them.

These are not illegal drugs, they are LEGAL drugs.

This is such unbelievable nonsense to me.

These jurisdictions are so eager for the perception of good PR, they can't wait a few more months until we have more accurately-documented withdrawal times, and everyone agrees to use the more accurate testing procedures?

Then these drugs could continue to be used as they legitimately and legally should be (and have been used for years), but non-approved misuse could be caught?

Naw, that's too logical! Instead, let's overreact, and use a shotgun blast where a BB gun would do.

Who cares what horses or trainers are gonna get hurt as collateral damage? We as an industry will "look good" in the public eye (even though the public has no idea that we as an industry are really doing absolutely NOTHING about illegal designer steroid abuse in racehorses)

Yes, the "simplistic" solution is to also punish people who use these drugs for legal, legitimate, veterinary-supervised, FDA-approved therapeutic usage in the horse. And to prevent horses that medically need these drugs from receiving them.

These are not illegal drugs, they are LEGAL drugs.

This is such unbelievable nonsense to me.

In California they go herbal.
Just have the horse go chew on some leaves.

It does look like a complete PR play based on
the hope of appealing to an ignorant public.

[Honu]

I can only say from former years at cheap racetracks I hate Equipoise , it makes horses stupid and addicts and is pretty much just squeezing whatever they have left in them out.
Now , I do feel that steroids when used properly can help some weaker kind horses and when I say weaker I mean one's that dont eat well , horses that are slight and some that just need a lil extra courage.
As a horse person I dont think it is to much to ask for a horse to be under a certain level steroids by the time they run , if you cant get the sucker ready to run at say the end of its last dose 30 days out then you maybe need to consider doing something else with the horse.
I have noticed that Winstrol has a way less affect on a horses mind than Equipose and it will make them eat , but so will arsnic .
We got a group of horses not too long ago from a known Equipose blasting guy , these things were so strung out and spent they never did run right , maybe we should have just blasted them with Equipoise too , but my boss doesnt really subscribe to that .

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

I can only say from former years at cheap racetracks I hate Equipoise , it makes horses stupid and addicts and is pretty much just squeezing whatever they have left in them out.
Now , I do feel that steroids when used properly can help some weaker kind horses and when I say weaker I mean one's that dont eat well , horses that are slight and some that just need a lil extra courage.
As a horse person I dont think it is to much to ask for a horse to be under a certain level steroids by the time they run , if you cant get the sucker ready to run at say the end of its last dose 30 days out then you maybe need to consider doing something else with the horse.I have noticed that Winstrol has a way less affect on a horses mind than Equipose and it will make them eat , but so will arsnic .
We got a group of horses not too long ago from a known Equipose blasting guy , these things were so strung out and spent they never did run right , maybe we should have just blasted them with Equipoise too , but my boss doesnt really subscribe to that .

Which is the whole point of my initial argument. According to Arthur you are wrong to have given the drugs at all and if you test positive even if you withdrew far before the 30 days it is your fault for using them in the first place.

The way it is set up now, if you guys ran one of the horses from Mr. Equipoise 30 to 120 days from the time you got it, you could still come back positive. Even if you gave the horse nothing for 4 months. There are still questions about the testing yet Arthur and company choose to cast stones.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Which is the whole point of my initial argument. According to Arthur you are wrong to have given the drugs at all and if you test positive even if you withdrew far before the 30 days it is your fault for using them in the first place.

The way it is set up now, if you guys ran one of the horses from Mr. Equipoise 30 to 120 days from the time you got it, you could still come back positive. Even if you gave the horse nothing for 4 months. There are still questions about the testing yet Arthur and company choose to cast stones.

I see your point and understand where you are coming from , but Ive worked with Rick and I know he is a pompouse prick , and Im sure when he was asked the question it was prolly not at the greatest moment .
He has been asked to do what no one else has been asked to do and that is regulate meds on the behalf of the state to the extreme , he is very compitent and smart and has owned, bred and raced his own horses so its not like he is out of touch with reality as far as steroids are concerned.
I just dont see the need to blast horses with Equipoise every ten days like people do , and they dont care if they do it to studs who def dont need it and geldings alike. People think that by giving their horses steroids that they are just rising up to the level of competition.
I dont agree with banning them outright but I do agree with regulating them .

[Theatrical]

Originally Posted by Honu

I can only say from former years at cheap racetracks I hate Equipoise , it makes horses stupid and addicts and is pretty much just squeezing whatever they have left in them out.
Now , I do feel that steroids when used properly can help some weaker kind horses and when I say weaker I mean one's that dont eat well , horses that are slight and some that just need a lil extra courage.
As a horse person I dont think it is to much to ask for a horse to be under a certain level steroids by the time they run , if you cant get the sucker ready to run at say the end of its last dose 30 days out then you maybe need to consider doing something else with the horse.
I have noticed that Winstrol has a way less affect on a horses mind than Equipose and it will make them eat , but so will arsnic .
We got a group of horses not too long ago from a known Equipose blasting guy , these things were so strung out and spent they never did run right , maybe we should have just blasted them with Equipoise too , but my boss doesnt really subscribe to that .

I hate it, too. We gave it to our old horse to help boost his appetite. My vet really didn't want to give it to him because of the side effects, which turned this sweet horse into a raving lunatic. Took about 5 months for this guy to get back to normal. It was difficult to get Winstrol at the time because people were taking it and it was taken off the market. I can't imagine being around young horses on Equipoise. This horse was 28 and we had to keep him separated from the other horses that he'd been running with for years. Nasty stuff.

[TheSpyder]

Yea, that's it...switch them to legal medicinal weed. I hear you can now get it in vending machines.

Originally Posted by pgardn

In California they go herbal.
Just have the horse go chew on some leaves.

It does look like a complete PR play based on
the hope of appealing to an ignorant public.