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Old 02-24-2008, 05:40 PM
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Cool Coal Man was a " Hidden Horse " on my show after his debut.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:41 PM
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I retimed the race three times, and got 1:49 4/5.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:44 PM
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Default the fractions weren't wrong

They are they are, slow... Cool Coal man I can respect, I just don't respect that Court Vision, who I don't even like is 18 lenghts behind a 49 and 1/5? He wasn't even that slow last year, Monba did he run? The pacesetter absolutely collapsed off that slow pace? The race doesn't make sense.
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1:49.8?

Solid.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:45 PM
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I retimed the race three times, and got 1:49 4/5.
I wonder if the entire race is two seconds off. Would make sense. The first four seperated themselves from the field early which makes it even more impossible the fractions were right.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:46 PM
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Also, I had the opening quarter in 24:1. It looks to me like the clock started when the gates opened.
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Old 02-24-2008, 05:52 PM
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Also, I had the opening quarter in 24:1. It looks to me like the clock started when the gates opened.

Good stuff Justin.

I'm sure Randy Moss will time it properly.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:27 PM
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I retimed the race three times, and got 1:49 4/5.
Take a look at DRF charts and you'll see that they timed the race in 1:49 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080224&RN=9
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:29 PM
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With that time what kind of beyer are they going to give the winner?
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:36 PM
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:39 PM
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Unless Beyer & Associates updated the time to par chart a 1:49 2/5 is a 108. If the varient was 0 and there was no atmospheric change MSW winner Cosmic would have ran a 99.

Since there was 6 1/2 lengths seperation between Cosmic and Truth Rules my guess is we're looking at somewhere between 97 and a 101 for the FOY.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:44 PM
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Cool Coal Man - 90
War Pass - 102
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Old 02-24-2008, 08:49 PM
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Cool Coal Man - 90
War Pass - 102
The Beyer chart I'm looking at was printed in Beyer On Speed so it might have been updated but you giving a -18 route and a +1 varient for these two races. Cosmic running an 81 make sense. The winner of the 2nd Battle Tank with a 79 fits in.The fillies in race 6 figures to be in the ballpark.

Unless you heard it from the BSF fig makers your guesstimates make sense.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:35 PM
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Take a look at DRF charts and you'll see that they timed the race in 1:49 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080224&RN=9

Yeah, I timed it with the stopwatch feature on my cellphone. Not shocked I was off slightly.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:43 PM
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Yeah, I timed it with the stopwatch feature on my cellphone. Not shocked I was off slightly.
This was a big screw up with their timer and this has happened many times before at GP. I was shocked but pleasantly surprised to see DRF's chart. The race seemed more taxing on the front runners than the slow splits displayed.
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