Bernadini/the reason for my doubts

Blackthroat it was Simon Bray and Albertrani who were indeed assistants during the Cigar times.
But both of you guys will have to enlighten me about Albertrani's prior great training jobs.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Oracle, did you have Songster singled on your tickets?

Also, what is going on with Wilko and his trainer?

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Oracle, did you have Songster singled on your tickets?

Also, what is going on with Wilko and his trainer?

Yeah i would have had the pik-4 and that imcompetent Albertrani cost me about 5 grand. I hope for nothing but ill will for that bald little lowlife midget. Hes lucky he has fast horses because he cant train a dam. Hes a total moron.

He will screw up Bernadini, wait and see.

I like Tom and think he is capable, but if you do not then that is fine and i understand your opinion. However, I still offer this fact relating "special" horses...not "Good" horses, but "Special" horses - because this is what I believe he is.....

The bottomline is that Special horses are dangerous under anybodys care (and Yes, I like Tom and think he is fitting as a solid conditioner) Just look at Seattle Slew with Bill Turner...prime example...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I like Tom and think he is capable, but if you do not then that is fine and i understand your opinion. However, I still offer this fact relating "special" horses...not "Good" horses, but "Special" horses - because this is what I believe he is.....

The bottomline is that Special horses are dangerous under anybodys care (and Yes, I like Tom and think he is fitting as a solid conditioner) Just look at Seattle Slew with Bill Turner...prime example...

I suppose thats true but again he was replaced after the Swaps loss and did not train him at age 4. Three year olds who are truly special can win under anyone's care, I myself have said this many times. But when you step up and face older its a whole new game. He couldnt shine Todd's shoes.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I suppose thats true but again he was replaced after the Swaps loss and did not train him at age 4. Three year olds who are truly special can win under anyone's care, I myself have said this many times. But when you step up and face older its a whole new game. He couldnt shine Todd's shoes.

Is he as good of a trainer as Pletcher?...probably not..I'll give you that...But, I really don't think he is far enough behind that you'll see a difference with this horse.....I really believe that.....Tom seems like a better-than-average horseman from what I can tell....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Is he as good of a trainer as Pletcher?...probably not..I'll give you that...But, I really don't think he is far enough behind that you'll see a difference with this horse.....I really believe that.....Tom seems like a better-than-average horseman from what I can tell....

Incompetent dwarf is what i will henceforth refer to him as.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Is he as good of a trainer as Pletcher?...probably not..I'll give you that...But, I really don't think he is far enough behind that you'll see a difference with this horse.....I really believe that.....Tom seems like a better-than-average horseman from what I can tell....

Pletcher gets the best stock period, Albertrani has done very well with the horses he has received, maybe if he hires Dr. Allday he too will reach the next plateau.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah i would have had the pik-4 and that imcompetent Albertrani cost me about 5 grand. I hope for nothing but ill will for that bald little lowlife midget. Hes lucky he has fast horses because he cant train a dam. Hes a total moron.

Oracle, you know more than just about anyone here, but you often say people are not looking at things rationally, and in this case you are biased. Anyone that lost 5G because a 1-5 shot couldn't win is going to be angry. The fact is that Albertrani has done everything right with Bernardini. He didn't rush the horse and now his patience has paid off. Flower Alley will have his day when he meets up with Bernardini, and while I hope Flower Alley wins, I don't expect him to even be close to Bernardini.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Oracle, you know more than just about anyone here, but you often say people are not looking at things rationally, and in this case you are biased. Anyone that lost 5G because a 1-5 shot couldn't win is going to be angry. The fact is that Albertrani has done everything right with Bernardini. He didn't rush the horse and now his patience has paid off. Flower Alley will have his day when he meets up with Bernardini, and while I hope Flower Alley wins, I don't expect him to even be close to Bernardini.

Hes a bald little dwarf and hes also incompetent. Hes been very lucky to be blessed with a horse like Bernadini but I will laugh loudly and taunt him and heckle him when he blows him up as I have total faith that he will.

The horse he ra yesterday was an embarassment. He was DEAD SHORT and Prado rode him just fine. Sat off the duel in the best part of the racetrack and made his move in a typical spot. That horse absolutely layed over the field and to have him be so short and weaving about was a disgrace. Hes a bad trainer, plain and simple. Tell me all about his great successes other than Bernadini, Im still waiting to hear all about them. He will screw him up just like she screwed up yesterday.

Originally Posted by oracle80

The horse he ra yesterday was an embarassment. He was DEAD SHORT and Prado rode him just fine. Sat off the duel in the best part of the racetrack and made his move in a typical spot. That horse absolutely layed over the field and to have him be so short and weaving about was a disgrace. Hes a bad trainer, plain and simple. Tell me all about his great successes other than Bernadini, Im still waiting to hear all about them. He will screw him up just like she screwed up yesterday.

Well, in my opinion Songster was compromised by chasing the fast fractions more than just getting dead tired from being not 100% cranked for the race.....just my opinion.....pace makes the race and it made that race....Songster was the onlt horse to finish well from the three that dueled out that grueling early agenda......I think he was fit enough to win....

[Scav]

LOL, I love the saltyness....it is Scav style to a T.

This being said, while he was short, he also wasn't ready for a track like that which killed anything within 2 lengths of the lead, like quicksand yesterday

I think this was the case where they cared less about this race, which is somewhat decieving the public, and he is going to be tight as can be for the Kings Bishop, and at better odds if he would have won yesterday....

Mike, we will catch him next time

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The horse he ra yesterday was an embarassment. He was DEAD SHORT and Prado rode him just fine. Sat off the duel in the best part of the racetrack and made his move in a typical spot. That horse absolutely layed over the field and to have him be so short and weaving about was a disgrace. Hes a bad trainer, plain and simple. Tell me all about his great successes other than Bernadini, Im still waiting to hear all about them. He will screw him up just like she screwed up yesterday.

Aside from Deputy Glitters, can't say. Don't disagree with you... off to Ft Meyers....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The horse he ra yesterday was an embarassment. He was DEAD SHORT and Prado rode him just fine. Sat off the duel in the best part of the racetrack and made his move in a typical spot. That horse absolutely layed over the field and to have him be so short and weaving about was a disgrace. Hes a bad trainer, plain and simple. Tell me all about his great successes other than Bernadini, Im still waiting to hear all about them. He will screw him up just like she screwed up yesterday.

Artax wasnt too shabby.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes a bald little dwarf and hes also incompetent. Hes been very lucky to be blessed with a horse like Bernadini but I will laugh loudly and taunt him and heckle him when he blows him up as I have total faith that he will.

That is uncalled for. His job with Balleto was excellent. She nearly won back to back stakes for him. So he has a first, and two seconds in the last three big races at the most difficult meet in the world. Not too bad.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes a bald little dwarf and hes also incompetent. Hes been very lucky to be blessed with a horse like Bernadini but I will laugh loudly and taunt him and heckle him when he blows him up as I have total faith that he will.

Do you think about these kind of comments before you post them? You defend trainers who improve horses in remarkable ways and lambaste other posters who dare to question how these improvements occur and then call Albertrani a " bald little dwarf " ( he isn't little....I'm little...I should know ). You think he's incompetent....fine you're entitled to your opinion...but so are the rest of us who wonder abou some of the rapid improvements coming out of the barns you defend vociferously.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you think about these kind of comments before you post them? You defend trainers who improve horses in remarkable ways and lambaste other posters who dare to question how these improvements occur and then call Albertrani a " bald little dwarf " ( he isn't little....I'm little...I should know ). You think he's incompetent....fine you're entitled to your opinion...but so are the rest of us who wonder abou some of the rapid improvements coming out of the barns you defend vociferously.

He couldnt shine Pletcher's or Dutrow's shoes and what if I told you that people should be able to take a trainer at his word about a horse's fitnhess level(front page DRF). Then you hear someone say that maybe in private he knew he was short. Its fraud upon bettors as much as a guy who cheats to win.