HUGE Cavs trade

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well coming from a noted NBA follower such as yourself I would find it interesting that you and the other Bulls fans choose to ignore the fact that no one was bidding for Wallace especially for 4 years at that price. Detroit was offering much less and simply let him walk which essentially killed their chances to win the title. The Bulls issues run far greater than Ben Wallace and that contract that all Bulls fans seem to resent. The fact that Deng is sleepwalking or hurt or both due to his contract or trade rumors. That Gordon resents not being signed. That Heinrich looks like he aged 20 years during the off season. That they have no inside scoring to speak of because they draft athletic guys that lack basketball knowledge or skills like thomas and Noah. That Nocionni is the only consistent guy they have and he is a zero on defense?

Since you dont watch much NBA let me give you a quickover view of what you got. For 14 mill a year a sullen, no dimensional guard that shoots poorly, is average at all other phases of the game and was so valuble to Cleveland that they accomplished most of their improbable playoff run without him. Gooden rebounds pretty good and can hit an open 10 foot baseline shot but give you little else. he is really not much different than Thomas or Noah, just has a funny looking beard.

Since you seem to feel that I am somehow picking on the Bulls let me post what Bill Simmons wrote about it on ESPN.com


On the flip side, the John Paxson era is starting to resemble the Britney Spears era -- tons of promise, tons of hype, a startling turn and now he's one more bad move away from chain-smoking in a hospital gown while speaking with a British accent. If you had told a Bulls fans two years ago that everything (and by "everything," I'm referring to a five-year odyssey spent stockpiling lottery picks and creating cap space) was leading toward a 2008 deadline deal that netted them Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden, they would have punched you in the face and then they would have punched you in the face again. But that's where we are. All things considered, the Wallace contract was the single most damaging front-office decision of this decade that didn't involve Chris Wallace.

lol...had a feeling that was coming

So how is Deng going weird, Heinrich aging and Gordon wanting Shaq money Paxon's fault? I really don't want to sit here and defend him ad nauseaum, but if you can honestly tell me that 2 years ago you didn't think they were ready to go big time, I would be surprised.

Bull's fans don't resent Wallace's contract. They resent that from the day he joined that team, they never progressed the way they should have. You seem to think it's the GMs fault ( comparing him to Isaah), but I think there are plenty of places to look

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

lol...had a feeling that was coming

So how is Deng going weird, Heinrich aging and Gordon wanting Shaq money Paxon's fault? I really don't want to sit here and defend him ad nauseaum, but if you can honestly tell me that 2 years ago you didn't think they were ready to go big time, I would be surprised.

Bull's fans don't resent Wallace's contract. They resent that from the day he joined that team, they never progressed the way they should have. You seem to think it's the GMs fault ( comparing him to Isaah), but I think there are plenty of places to look

I admit I was stunned the Bulls were as good as they were last year and surprised at how bad they have been this year. It is Paxtons fault that he signed Wallace and botched the Kobe to the Bulls drama so that half the team was waiting for the hammer to drop. The contract disputes with Deng and Gordon may not be his fault per se but he didnt do anything to ease the pain.

I thought the Bulls progressed amazingly well last year with Wallace. The GM has not put together a team that is very good as of today or a situation where they can get much better in the near future. The coach already got axed. Now Wallace. Next stop Jimmy P's.

The truth is after getting MJ for all those years Bull fans deserve a dose of Hughes to even out the karma. He is like Quinten Dailey without the sexually assaults....except Dailey was a better shooter.

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Perhaps Coach Pants should take over.

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Perhaps Coach Pants should take over.

I'd send you to the d league.

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^^^ This from the guy who asked God to send a lightning bolt out with his name on it.