Israel suspending air bombing

Originally Posted by boldruler

I am all for supporting Israel, just not with my money. Do they not have their own money? Please explain to me what the US gets out of supporting Israel. And for the record, we don't support Israel because we are good people, we support them because their lobby, the lobby of a foreign country, has bought into our government, no different than tobacco, alcohol, guns lobby, etc.

A democracy and the rule of law, in the middle of tyrannical Oil governments and impoverished killing machines. How many times does this need to be repeated. That is what we get. You dont like that. Tough luck. I dont like my money going certain places either. Vote for a president and Congress that supports tyranny abroad. Good luck finding candidates... check that, Pat Buchanan is your man.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A democracy and the rule of law, in the middle of tyrannical Oil governments and impoverished killing machines. How many times does this need to be repeated. That is what we get. You dont like that. Tough luck. I dont like my money going certain places either. Vote for a president and Congress that supports tyranny abroad. Good luck finding candidates... check that, Pat Buchanan is your man.

Such as Eisenhower, kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, et al?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Such as Eisenhower, kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, et al?

We have propped up highly tyrannical governments in the past. Made some horrible mistakes as long as countries gave us what we needed or just plain would bend to our will. We have learned the hard way that does not work.

Everyone of those president you just mentioned played an important role in constantly badgering the largest country in the world to clean up their act. Constantly, with no gain whatsoever on our part other than getting individuals released because of religious or political persecution. IN fact it is to our detriment to keep badgering China. But we do it anyway.

Name a country with more people than China that we have done the opposite.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We have propped up highly tyrannical governments in the past. Made some horrible mistakes as long as countries gave us what we needed or just plain would bend to our will. We have learned the hard way that does not work.

Everyone of those president you just mentioned played an important role in constantly badgering the largest country in the world to clean up their act. Constantly, with no gain whatsoever on our part other than getting individuals released because of religious or political persecution. IN fact it is to our detriment to keep badgering China. But we do it anyway.

Name a country with more people than China that we have done the opposite.

Sorry pal. You seem like an intelligent guy but this is a pretty dumb question. Think about it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Sorry pal. You seem like an intelligent guy but this is a pretty dumb question. Think about it.

Actually I really dont need to. You got the point.

We are asking the most populated country in the world to clean up their act to our detriment. A country that constantly thwarts us in the UN and in many other ways, just to get a few political and religious prisoners released. I mean come on guy, what the hell good does it do us to say lay off the people of Nepal?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Actually I really dont need to. You got the point.

We are asking the most populated country in the world to clean up their act to our detriment. A country that constantly thwarts us in the UN and in many other ways, just to get a few political and religious prisoners released. I mean come on guy, what the hell good does it do us to say lay off the people of Nepal?

and what good would it do us to keep our mouths shut? LOL

We have spent far more money in Africa than any other country in the World. We dumped some Marines in the middle of Somalia just to break up a horrific tribal war, and got them killed. We have done a hell of a lot of altruistic things. I am not naive enough to think everything is done this way. But I damn sure am not as totally cynical as you.

So why did we drop Marines in Somalia, and why do we keep bugging China while losing huge bucks in trade with them because of it?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We have spent far more money in Africa than any other country in the World. We dumped some Marines in the middle of Somalia just to break up a horrific tribal war, and got them killed. We have done a hell of a lot of altruistic things. I am not naive enough to think everything is done this way. But I damn sure am not as totally cynical as you.

So why did we drop Marines in Somalia, and why do we keep bugging China while losing huge bucks in trade with them because of it?

And why did we then abandon the somalians? nothing to gain maybe?

And why did we support Idi Amin or Mobutu or the countless others?

And why havent we been tougher with China on trade if we have such a problem with their human rights practices? Why were we much more lenient in our attitude toward China back when their human rights policies were measurably worse? Could it be because we needed them against the big, bad USSR?????

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We have spent far more money in Africa than any other country in the World. We dumped some Marines in the middle of Somalia just to break up a horrific tribal war, and got them killed. We have done a hell of a lot of altruistic things. I am not naive enough to think everything is done this way. But I damn sure am not as totally cynical as you.

So why did we drop Marines in Somalia, and why do we keep bugging China while losing huge bucks in trade with them because of it?

Excuse me for butting in Pat.
I think you and dala have a nice debate going.
But if we're going to talk about China now, and leave out Tibet...
oh nevermind.
Continue to discourse about Somalia.
Somehow that connects with Israel and Lebanon.
I'm very surprised that nobody brought up Grenada or Panama.
Chile or Libya anyone?

Back to my question, Pat....
Just suppose that somehow you got yourself elected to be president of the USA...
WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Go with what Israel is doing...bomb the sh-t out of Lebanon at all costs to "get" Hezzbollah...and incur the negitive fall out from many Arab allies,
or hope for a cease fire and bring in the UN and/or NATO?