Israel suspending air bombing

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boldruler

I am all for supporting Israel, just not with my money. Do they not have their own money? Please explain to me what the US gets out of supporting Israel. And for the record, we don't support Israel because we are good people, we support them because their lobby, the lobby of a foreign country, has bought into our government, no different than tobacco, alcohol, guns lobby, etc.

why is this so hard for people to comprehend?

This whole "spreading democracy" or "preserving democracy" thing is one of the biggest shams ever. Do people really believe the US govt cares what system a country uses as long as our ships are sailing in the same direction?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

why is this so hard for people to comprehend?

This whole "spreading democracy" or "preserving democracy" thing is one of the biggest shams ever. Do people really believe the US govt cares what system a country uses as long as our ships are sailing in the same direction?

Yes we care on the whole. We would like people all over the world to be able to worship as they please, enjoy a successful life based merit, and vote for their own leaders... and much more. We dont like Saudi Arabia's govt. but we put up with it because their is nothing to replace it at the moment. Democracy might not work as a system in some countries, but the right of human freedom and dignity has a Judeo-Christian foundation that makes total sense to most of the world. It has spread because it is morally sound.

You can be a cynical as you want, but overall this is what we strive for although we have made many mistakes and dont follow our own ideals sometimes. We are hardly perfect. But the basics are clear.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes we care on the whole. We would like people all over the world to be able to worship as they please, enjoy a successful life based merit, and vote for their own leaders... and much more. We dont like Saudi Arabia's govt. but we put up with it because their is nothing to replace it at the moment. Democracy might not work as a system in some countries, but the right of human freedom and dignity has a Judeo-Christian foundation that makes total sense to most of the world. It has spread because it is morally sound.

You can be a cynical as you want, but overall this is what we strive for although we have made many mistakes and dont follow our own ideals sometimes. We are hardly perfect. But the basics are clear.

If this is true then why are there so many examples of leadership that the US has not only supported but also implemented that stray so far from your stated "ideals"?

You can be as idealistic if you like (or rather naive) but the proof is more on my side than on yours.

America over the last 60 years has looked out more times than not for her own interests first. Whether it be politically or financially dont be mistaken that our interests have come first and more times than not financial interests, whether individual or national, have driven American policy.

I find nothing at all wrong with America looking out for herself first. The problem i have is with the politicians spinning it into this "we are the world" thing and the mindless sheep that actually believe this bull****.