49 "Win and You're In" races

[blackthroatedwind]

Shame on Woodbine. They took on the BC and were winning.

That is really lame.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Shame on Woodbine. They took on the BC and were winning.

That is really lame.

The thing though is that Woodbine subsidizes all travel expenses for horses shipping in and that's part of the reason why the Canadian International is usually very strong. Now, even with it three weeks ahead of the BC, you have to convince those European horsemen to take their charges another 2,000 miles to turf courses they generally do not favor (I know there have been exceptions) in much warmer temperatures on their own dime.

I don't know about all of you but two years of 8 horse fields in the BC Turf along with watered down Classics, Sprints, and Juvenile races does not have me excited.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing though is that Woodbine subsidizes all travel expenses for horses shipping in and that's part of the reason why the Canadian International is usually very strong. Now, even with it three weeks ahead of the BC, you have to convince those European horsemen to take their charges another 2,000 miles to turf courses they generally do not favor (I know there have been exceptions) in much warmer temperatures on their own dime.

I don't know about all of you but two years of 8 horse fields in the BC Turf along with watered down Classics, Sprints, and Juvenile races does not have me excited.

NT

This is just an observation, but does anyone still care about the BC races other than US based or owned horses. I'm not sure anyone in Europe, Dubai, Japan and even Canada for that matter are scratching out dates in their blackberry calendars pointing for the BC.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is just an observation, but does anyone still care about the BC races other than US based or owned horses. I'm not sure anyone in Europe, Dubai, Japan and even Canada for that matter are scratching out dates in their blackberry calendars pointing for the BC.

Well, I'd venture a guess that the Coolmore and Godolphin operations still care a bit. Aidan O'Brien did bring a few over last year and has done so for quite some time. As far as serious interest beyond those two and maybe Juddmonte? No, no way.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Well, I'd venture a guess that the Coolmore and Godolphin operations still care a bit. Aidan O'Brien did bring a few over last year and has done so for quite some time. As far as serious interest beyond those two and maybe Juddmonte? No, no way.

NT

Coolmore are very sporting indeed, they even show up in Australia(Melbourne Cup) for bragging rights.

I'm just not sure if the BC is what it used to be, I used to get all jazzed up for this event, but lately it has been a yawn. The turf races have been substandard or atleast not the quality of when the Europeans would send multiple quality horses.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is just an observation, but does anyone still care about the BC races other than US based or owned horses. I'm not sure anyone in Europe, Dubai, Japan and even Canada for that matter are scratching out dates in their blackberry calendars pointing for the BC.

If they are smart they have it marked for the next two years. They are going to crush us on that cushion crap that makes average American turf horses into G1 and G2 winners. Imagine how legitimately good turf horses are going to run on it. We'll be 0 for 28 the next two years. Actually probably worse than that since they'll have added six new races by next year.

[jpops757]

While I agree with some of the things said here,I have a hard time seeing anything wrong with earning a bc trip

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If they are smart they have it marked for the next two years. They are going to crush us on that cushion crap that makes average American turf horses into G1 and G2 winners. Imagine how legitimately good turf horses are going to run on it. We'll be 0 for 28 the next two years. Actually probably worse than that since they'll have added six new races by next year.

I really haven't followed the turf to poly/cushion angle for awhile, I think there was some validity to this when Keeneland went to it and to some extent Hollywood Park first went to it. I'm just not sure what to think as there seems to be mulitple forms of synthetic tracks making it hard to gauge. Will it be an advantage?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing though is that Woodbine subsidizes all travel expenses for horses shipping in and that's part of the reason why the Canadian International is usually very strong. Now, even with it three weeks ahead of the BC, you have to convince those European horsemen to take their charges another 2,000 miles to turf courses they generally do not favor (I know there have been exceptions) in much warmer temperatures on their own dime.

I don't know about all of you but two years of 8 horse fields in the BC Turf along with watered down Classics, Sprints, and Juvenile races does not have me excited.

NT

you know what though, this might actually attract more Euros with this scheduling, especially when the BC is on the east coast. They can ship into Woodbine expenses paid to Woodbine, and then stable at Belmont or somewhere until the BC, get two races in (Woodbines races and the BC races). Definitely worth the ship to get two races in, both with multi million dollar purses. Just a thought

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Scav

you know what though, this might actually attract more Euros with this scheduling, especially when the BC is on the east coast. They can ship into Woodbine expenses paid to Woodbine, and then stable at Belmont or somewhere until the BC, get two races in (Woodbines races and the BC races). Definitely worth the ship to get two races in, both with multi million dollar purses. Just a thought

I'm not sure that works with quarantine restrictions.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure that works with quarantine restrictions.

I know absolutely zero about those so maybe not.