Kidd to Mavs

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Olajumon played with Barkley for like ten minutes. Please.

Actually four seasons and those four seasons are the ones that pull his DRB% down significantly.

[The Bid]

Where does Gheorghe Muresan fit into all of this?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Where does Gheorghe Muresan fit into all of this?

In 95-96 he had a defensive rebound percentage of 24.7%, the same as Ewing's career average.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Where does Gheorghe Muresan fit into all of this?

Much better actor than all mentioned

[The Bid]

Haha, yeah thats about what I figured. Must be the reason I still have his rookie card in plastic

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Haha, yeah thats about what I figured. Must be the reason I still have his rookie card in plastic

Hey the guy had skills. Billy Crystal was upstaged by him

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Actually four seasons and those four seasons are the ones that pull his DRB% down significantly.

This is not a really accurate post. True, Barkley did play with Olajuwon for four seasons. The last season though, Barkley only played 20 games so I wouldn't really count that season.

1997-53 games
1998-68 games (only started 41)
1999-42 games (50 game season because of strike)
2000-20 games

How much of an effect did Barkley have on Olajuwon's defense rebounding numbers? Obviously he had some but I don't think it's significant like you claim. Olajuwon ranked #1 in the league in DR% in 1989 and in 1990. He fell to #2 in 1991. He fell to #6 in 1992. Down to #8 in 1993. He was out of the top 10 in 1994 and was #10 in 1995. This goes along with what Cannon says. As Hakeem's offensive game grew, his defensive game slid. He was dropping further and further down the list in this stat category before Barkley even got there.

Eastern regional bias raises its head.

Honestly, if Robinson, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Moses Malone, Walton (when healthy, not as a Celtic) played in NY... Gods. They would be considered Gods. Its regional prejudice which is understanable. Ewing was just flat out not at the level of these other players as a pro. No way. No how.

If Ewing had not played at Georgetown and done so well as a Collegian, he would not be thought of as highly. It is a given Ewing played hard every night, unlike Robinson. He should be admired for this. But talent wise... no way. No way. So I find it laughable.

This is coming from the same idiot that prounounced that Kevin Durant was not a great athlete. That he is/was a skinny kid who has a great fundamental offensive game.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Where does Gheorghe Muresan fit into all of this?

Every time I go to a Wiz game Gheorge is there and is a super friendly guy. He has some PR job or something with the team. He often takes one of the floor seats behind the basket and I always wonder how anybody sitting behind him can see any of the game.

As far as the Ewing vs Olajuwon debate I really don't know what there is to argue about. Ewing was a better defensive center and anybody with eyes could tell you that. A shot blocker is not necessarily a great defensive player. Olajuwon was a better overall player because his offensive contributions were significantly better than Ewing. Hakeem could actually pass out of a double team every once in awhile. Ewing really was a black hole offensively. Hakeem dominated their head to head matchups but I am much too lazy to look up stats to support it.

Hopefully we can all agree that the 94 finals between those 2 teams was horrible. I don't care how close the series was the games themselves were worse than watching paint dry. Starks shooting like 2 for 50 in game 7 was brilliant especially since Riley refused to take him out.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Eastern regional bias raises its head.

Honestly, if Robinson, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Moses Malone, Walton (when healthy, not as a Celtic) played in NY... Gods. They would be considered Gods. Its regional prejudice which is understanable. Ewing was just flat out not at the level of these other players as a pro. No way. No how.

If Ewing had not played at Georgetown and done so well as a Collegian, he would not be thought of as highly. It is a given Ewing played hard every night, unlike Robinson. He should be admired for this. But talent wise... no way. No way. So I find it laughable.

This is coming from the same idiot that prounounced that Kevin Durant was not a great athlete. That he is/was a skinny kid who has a great fundamental offensive game.

The thought that Pat Ewing was not as good as these other guys because he played in NY is what is laughable. Ewing was a WAY better pro than he was in college. Kevin Durant is a tremendous athlete, just a bit slight. His fundementals are actually lacking. Do you ever watch the games?

[Cannon Shell]

By the way where is that tremendous Eastern Bias that glorify's all Knick players because they play in NYC. Can you name 2 players?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

By the way where is that tremendous Eastern Bias that glorify's all Knick players because they play in NYC. Can you name 2 players?

Oh come on.
Who came to the Knicks via
San Antonio. You dont think I watch them
play? Who won the slam dunk and should not
have? Who has his own line a cheap shoes so
kids wont kill each other over expensive brands?
Who did they get from Portland that I wanted
but plays no D? on and on...


The press about the Knicks is so big
its amazing. Why dont the Bucks get this
press. They are just as bad and have been
for a while?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The thought that Pat Ewing was not as good as these other guys because he played in NY is what is laughable. Ewing was a WAY better pro than he was in college. Kevin Durant is a tremendous athlete, just a bit slight. His fundementals are actually lacking. Do you ever watch the games?

So wrong.
He has the catch and shoot down as
well as any pro. He gets 2 or 3 flippin rebounds
a night. He has very little lateral movement,
he is not strong. His feet are not quick.
What about him makes him a great
athlete compared to other NBA players?

How do you determine Ewing was way better as
a pro? How? Where was he drafted? How many
NCAA championships did he play in? How many NBA
championships? We really cant deal with numbers
without the shot clock... How?

As a college center, who was better than Ewing besides
perhaps Jabbar and Walton? He had a huge impact on the college
game. Huge. As a pro?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So wrong.
He has the catch and shoot down as
well as any pro. He gets 2 or 3 flippin rebounds
a night. He has very little lateral movement,
he is not strong. His feet are not quick.
What about him makes him a great
athlete compared to other NBA players?

How do you determine Ewing was way better as
a pro? How? Where was he drafted? How many
NCAA championships did he play in? How many NBA
championships? We really cant deal with numbers
without the shot clock... How?

As a college center, who was better than Ewing besides
perhaps Jabbar and Walton? He had a huge impact on the college
game. Huge. As a pro?

Have you been drinking?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you been drinking?

no.
just laughing.

figured out how to yank my chain...