New Hall of Fame

[King Glorious]

The problem that I have with that is that there is still no criteria involved. It's still subjective as to who gets in and even more subjective as to which level they would be at. I want some minimum standards that have to be reached first then if you want to break them down further after they are in, feel free.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The problem that I have with that is that there is still no criteria involved. It's still subjective as to who gets in and even more subjective as to which level they would be at. I want some minimum standards that have to be reached first then if you want to break them down further after they are in, feel free.

I'm not a fan of set standards. Eras change and it makes it so tough to have a set of standards that are going to work through all times.

[jballscalls]

Can we put Tom Durkin into this Hall of Fame??

[my miss storm cat]

Are we including international runners here (and no I don't mean HK in particular but i want to know if horses like Pride and Ouija Board count).....

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Are we including international runners here (and no I don't mean HK in particular but i want to know if horses like Pride and Ouija Board count).....

North American only. For a foreign horse to count, they would have to meet all of the criteria. There aren't that many foreign horses that have won championships here in more than one year. Off the top, I can think of Miesque, Ouija Board, and High Chaparral. Even if I were doing an international one, Hong Kong horses wouldn't be considered yet. It's still not yet completely major league.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

. Even if I were doing an international one, Hong Kong horses wouldn't be considered yet. It's still not yet completely major league.

You are kidding right?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are kidding right?

I am not. Maybe I'm really lost here but can you tell me some Hong Kong based horses that have made marks on the international level. I don't mean winning big races in Hong Kong but in other parts of the world.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

North American only. For a foreign horse to count, they would have to meet all of the criteria. There aren't that many foreign horses that have won championships here in more than one year. Off the top, I can think of Miesque, Ouija Board, and High Chaparral. Even if I were doing an international one, Hong Kong horses wouldn't be considered yet. It's still not yet completely major league.

I couldn't disagree more with this statement, Hong Kong horses wouldn't be considered yet. It's still not yet completely major league
Your determining factor or precursor for this statement is too narrow(black or white), they may simply be unineterested in shipping to Europe or NA as logistically it wouldn't make sense as purses over there are large. Look they have big name jockies, high quality racing, great facilities, overflowing crowds, it is big league. The few times they did ship Vengence of Rain did win the Sheema Classic in 07. I think Bullish Luck a turf horse finished a respectable 3rd in the Dubai World Cup.

Japan didn't start shipping horses until recently, but I would venture to guess that your opinion of them would have been simular until they showed up in America, the fact is races in Australia, Japan, and Hong Kong are of the highest level. Just because they haven't proven it here year in year out does not mean their racing is any less quality.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by CSC

I couldn't disagree more with this statement, Hong Kong horses wouldn't be considered yet. It's still not yet completely major league
Your determining factor or precursor for this statement is too narrow(black or white), they may simply be unineterested in shipping to Europe or NA as logistically it wouldn't make sense as purses over there are large. Look they have big name jockies, high quality racing, great facilities, overflowing crowds, it is big league. The few times they did ship Vengence of Rain did win the Sheema Classic in 07. I think Bullish Luck a turf horse finished a respectable 3rd in the Dubai World Cup.

Japan didn't start shipping horses until recently, but I would venture to guess that your opinion of them would have been simular until they showed up in America, the fact is races in Australia, Japan, and Hong Kong are of the highest level. Just because they haven't proven it here year in year out does not mean their racing is any less quality.

Horses can't just stay in their area and compete and then be put on a world level. It's almost the same thing here in the U.S. Horses that compete in California only aren't given the same respect as horses that travel and compete against the best in the nation. The purses are great here in Cal, the jockey colony is nice, the races are big races. But to a lot of the rest of the country, the horses are still seen as "nice horse in California but what will happen when they cross the Mississippi?" Same thing with the Hong Kong horses. I'm not saying at all that they are bad horses or that the racing is bad. But until they start proving on a consistent basis that they can leave their friendly confines and beat the best in a the world on a regular basis, I still think of them as provincial champions. The very best ones, I know that they can compete on a world level. But there just aren't that many of them yet. It also seems to me that when they have their few races that attract the best international horses, the international horses come in and win more than the local ones. Sort of like how the Europeans come here and consistently kick our butts in the BC grass races. Sure, we sprinkle in some wins here and there but I don't think anyone would argue that when it comes to grass racing, we lag behind them. Same concept with regards to HK horses on the world stage.