Now does anyone still believe?...

slotdirt · #1 07-31-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

He is better than Ghostzapper and Pleasantly Perfect. You don't throw up back to back beyers like that in effortless races. If his breeding wasn't so good I would question him, but you can't breed a better horse. It is impossible.

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

#2 07-31-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

slotdirt · #3 07-31-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

Licking his wounds? WTF are you talking about?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf#search='ghostzapper%20past%20perfo rmances'

slotdirt · #4 07-31-2006, 10:19 AM

I mean, I was never a Ghostzapper fan, but I would say he's universally acknowledged in the horse racing world as one of the best dirt horses in the last 25 years. To put Bernardini not only on his level but ABOVE his level after two pretty good races....seriously, that would be comical if someone weren't really believeing that nonsense.

#5 07-31-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Licking his wounds? WTF are you talking about?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/ghostzapper.pdf#search='ghostzapper%20past%20perfo rmances'

He raced in 4 sprints the entire year, and lost one of them. 4 races in an entire 3 year old year. That is ridiculous. That is an unsound horse that is injured. Bernardini is looking at 8 races this year, most of them routes.

slotdirt · #6 07-31-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

He raced in 4 sprints the entire year, and lost one of them. 4 races in an entire 3 year old year. That is ridiculous. That is an unsound horse that is injured. Bernardini is looking at 8 races this year, most of them routes.

I wish I could dig up the old threads when Ghostzapper was finally retired last year. I believe even the most ardent Euro supporters (big_papa) named him as the greatest dirt horse since Spectacular Bid. Now, off two starts, Bernardini is better? You cannot be serious.

Like Doc Fager said....if we're talking soundness, sure, to this point in his career, Bernardini wins that competition, but really....the best in a long, long time? Are you ready to put Bernardini in whose category? Affirmed? Spectacular Bid? Cigar? Really, what do you mean by long, long time. That's an awfully bold use of superlative in describing what could be a two race wonder.

Cajungator26 · #7 07-31-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

Do you jump on every bandwagon that comes along? LOL

#8 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Do you jump on every bandwagon that comes along? LOL

I hate the darley horses, but I have never seen a horse like this. The only horse I really believe in is this horse. I love Showing Up because I know him, but he couldn't hold this horses jock.

Cajungator26 · #9 07-31-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

I hate the darley horses, but I have never seen a horse like this. The only horse I really believe in is this horse. I love Showing Up because I know him, but he couldn't hold this horses jock.

You say the same thing about every horse that comes along. Please don't act like you know EVERYTHING... honestly, you're making yourself look ridiculous. Bernardini is a very nice colt to be sure, but you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

#10 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Do you jump on every bandwagon that comes along? LOL

Cajun hes the BANDLEADER!! Complete with funny outfit and bubbles. He has no idea how insane he sounds, thats the great part.

#11 07-31-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

This guy knows a guy who knows a guy who owns horses and in a few months he has mastered every avenue of horse knowledge and knows it all, it used to be funny, now its just sad.

#12 07-31-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. Thanks for the comic relief.

When freakin' Bernardini runs a 124 against the best horses on the planet, give me a shout.

AP Indy's only get faster. This is a horse that can run in the 120's whenever he wants. And he is 3, GZ was licking his wounds when he was 3.

"I think it was more impressive than when he ran in the Preakness (gr. I)," Albertrani said Sunday. "It was basically a public workout. He came out of it great. He came back as if he didn't even run."

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

dr. fager · #13 07-31-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Like he didn't even run, and he threw up a 114. Unbelievable. GZ would need another 3 months off like he did between all his races. GZ was an unsound horse, this horse is anything but.

I give it to you, in a soundness competition, Bernardini wins....but, uh, is that what everyone is talking about?

#14 07-31-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dr.fager

I give it to you, in a soundness competition, Bernardini wins....but, uh, is that what everyone is talking about?

Fager, what we have here is a runaway freight train named the Bold Ruler. Actually a nice guy. Problem is that the guy got bitten by the horse racing bug a few months ago when Barbaro came to prominence because he has a friend who knows Barbaro's owners etc. Its great to see enthusiasm, awesome. But this guy has gone completely out of control. He truly believes that after a few months of following the game that he has the necessary and legitimate opinion of people who have been playing the game and in the game for years. His opinions are very black and white and his statemenst hysterical because he actually has no historicfal context on which to base them. Just try and appreciate his humor and enthusiam.

#15 07-31-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Fager, what we have here is a runaway freight train named the Bold Ruler. Actually a nice guy. Problem is that the guy got bitten by the horse racing bug a few months ago when Barbaro came to prominence because he has a friend who knows Barbaro's owners etc. Its great to see enthusiasm, awesome. But this guy has gone completely out of control. He truly believes that after a few months of following the game that he has the necessary and legitimate opinion of people who have been playing the game and in the game for years. His opinions are very black and white and his statemenst hysterical because he actually has no historicfal context on which to base them. Just try and appreciate his humor and enthusiam.

Most of what Oracles says is true, but Ghostzapper won 3 races his entire career over 1 mile. That is it. 3 races. One by a neck.

slotdirt · #16 07-31-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Most of what Oracles says is true, but Ghostzapper won 3 races his entire career over 1 mile. That is it. 3 races. One by a neck.

One by a neck....over last year's f'ing horse of the year!!!!

#17 07-31-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

One by a neck....over last year's f'ing horse of the year!!!!

Great. It is still three wins in an entire career over 1 mile. How is that a great horse?

irishtrekker · #18 07-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

One by a neck....over last year's f'ing horse of the year!!!!

...and over Roses in May, who went on to win the Dubai World Cup. That 2004 BCC performance was one of the most impressive I've seen, and he beat one hell of a field (PP, Azeri...). His accomplishments are more impressive, imho, because he wasn't sound.

No one is suggesting that Bernardini is not a good horse, but to compare him to GZ already...? I think Bernardini is an excellent colt, and he should do well in the BCC...but let's wait and see how he does for a few more races before we start comparing him to GZ and Secretariat, okay?

#19 07-31-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Most of what Oracles says is true, but Ghostzapper won 3 races his entire career over 1 mile. That is it. 3 races. One by a neck.

The neck was against St Liam, you have to be kidding me. YOu are such a half truth telling guy.

Heres a fitting joke for you.
Q- you are trapped in a room with a terrorist, a serial killer, and a lawyer. You have a gun with only two bullets, what do you do?

A- Shoot the lawyer twice!!!!

SentToStud · #20 07-31-2006, 10:55 AM

All I know is that if a 3 yo does not win two of the three TC races (P given, Charismatic), it's virtually impossible for a 3 yo to win HoY. For Bernadini to get HoY, he MUST win the Travers and the BCC. No horse got HoY off a Preakness/Dandy/Travers sweep, notwithstanding 110+ Beyers.

Not easy to do, especially vs a full field of older horses in great form like he'll see in the BCC. And if Lava Man wins the Pacific, it probably won't matter anyway.