GP 7 (2/7): Distorted Humor firsters

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what if i told you they both may not win......./place

the 2/5/6/8..are looking pretty good...

and if i had to pick the winner..it would be the 5

[blackthroatedwind]

It's a ten horse field with nine firsters......what could possibly be a less interesting betting race?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a ten horse field with nine firsters......what could possibly be a less interesting betting race?

Fair Grounds State Bred 15000 maiden claimer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Fair Grounds State Bred 15000 maiden claimer.

Not if at least two of them have run.

[the_fat_man]

I'm a little confused by the happenings down at GP. Seems to me, the same TURF horses that were running at SAR this past summer are all at GP this winter. So, why do we get a race like Thursday's 8th once every 2 weeks? Need the focus be on claiming races? That's what TAM is for.

The same applies to the dirt horses.

Why isn't the racing secretary carding races for these horses?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why isn't the racing secretary carding races for these horses?

This is isn't the racing secretary's fault. Obviously he has very little purse money to distribute.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is isn't the racing secretary's fault. Obviously he has very little purse money to distribute.

Great point Andy.. They said before the meet in fact that there was the $1MM purse shortfall from last year they needed to work through and were hopeful that once that was over they would be able to get purses back up over $300,000/day. Recall Hettel saying March was a target.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm a little confused by the happenings down at GP. Seems to me, the same TURF horses that were running at SAR this past summer are all at GP this winter. So, why do we get a race like Thursday's 8th once every 2 weeks? Need the focus be on claiming races? That's what TAM is for.

The same applies to the dirt horses.

Why isn't the racing secretary carding races for these horses?

The racing secretary from Thistledown is writing their races. Last wek I saw $12.5k NW2L claimers, on GRASS.

Of course, he's writing races for he horses that are there. With the guys who handle better stock (Mott, Pletcher, etc) spacing their races further apart, the better allowances just don't fill as easily.

[sumitas]

Keep Laughing $85k 3-1 ML
Understatement $1mil+ 5-2 ML

Interesting observations on the range of values placed on horses.

[Bobby Fischer]

2379 look nice on paper ... depends what kind of price for those

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a ten horse field with nine firsters......what could possibly be a less interesting betting race?

I actually love betting a race with a bunch of firsters. Playing a race without any past performances can be fun.
I like relying on only pedigrees, trainer trends, workouts, etc for a change. It is certainly a whole different type of handicapping, but I rather enjoy it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I enjoy winning.

[the_fat_man]

I enjoy looking at BOXSCORES rather than actually watching sporting events.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I enjoy looking at BOXSCORES rather than actually watching sporting events.

I can relate.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I enjoy looking at BOXSCORES rather than actually watching sporting events.

Besides finding out who won and lost ... you can't learn a damn thing from a box score....

The major exception being hockey in the regular season.

The box score lists the exact times that the fights happened - and when all the satellite channels show the replays of the games - I'd try to tune in and catch as many as I can.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I would much rather play a race with 14 first time starters than a turf sprint where the whole field has established form and I have no such sneaky horse.

That's just me though.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Besides finding out who won and lost ... you can't learn a damn thing from a box score....

The major exception being hockey in the regular season.

The box score lists the exact times that the fights happened - and when all the satellite channels show the replays of the games - I'd try to tune in and catch as many as I can.

Very true. YET, there are many out there playing races by doing 'calculations' of data that claim they not only are successful BUT also know the game.

So, why wouldn't I know more about these sports by crunching data than the guys spending 20 hours a day in the film room or those out there scouting the opposition? Imagine all the money that these franchises could save by emulating the PA model.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I enjoy winning.

Oh, well I don't do that very often, so I try to find other ways to enjoy myself in this game.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Oh, well I don't do that very often, so I try to find other ways to enjoy myself in this game.

Not to be a di ck, and I know you're also kidding around, but that's kind of my point about these races.....they're fool's gold. They suck us in because we feel like a detective hunting around for clues and in reality they are the ultimate guessing game ( unless you are genuinely connected to actually good information ) and these races are a losing proposition. But....they suck you in.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not to be a di ck, and I know you're also kidding around, but that's kind of my point about these races.....they're fool's gold. They suck us in because we feel like a detective hunting around for clues and in reality they are the ultimate guessing game ( unless you are genuinely connected to actually good information ) and these races are a losing proposition. But....they suck you in.

I expect our differing opinions about these races probably relate to our different reasons for handicapping races in the first place. I enjoy feeling like "a detective hunting around for clues" because I am a small-time/part-time player who treats the game as a hobby. If I lose a lot of the time, it isn't a big deal because I rarely make large wagers. For me it is just a thing I dabble in for fun (with the possible exception of the Arlington meet, which I take rather seriously).
For someone like you that depends on picking winners for a living, I imagine the kind of speculation involved in betting a race full of firsters is understandably far less appealing.