"You don't throw a whole life away just cause it's banged up a little"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

You not think they are diseases?

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GPK

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

could have been some fine ladys lifting shirts for beads..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

Yeah,I mean before you guys get a taste (or feel of it.) Something teenagers at risk for alcoholism get when they go for routine check-ups.Something long-term like Hepatitis B shots are given to hospital workers.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

im sure we can come up with a with a shot for readboarding and outlandish reasoning in regaurds to horses abilitys on the internet.........

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

im sure we can come up with a with a shot for readboarding and outlandish reasoning in regaurds to horses abilitys on the internet.........

I thought there was one out already....they call them Mind Erasers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

Though I agree this would most certainly be helpful, the ACLU would have a field day with it as soon as they have run out of terrorists to defend.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Maybe I'm just real pissy about what happened last night....

But this is a another thread that wore my scroll wheel out.

[Oaklawnfan]

Doesn't Cole Norman's trial start soon?

[Danzig]

i do have a question or two about alcoholism. i personally never considered it as a disease...but i concede i could be wrong about that.

at any rate, both my parents are very heavy drinkers. i have referred to them in conversations as alcoholics. my mothers father, and some of her brothers were/are as well-and some of their children. but i'm not an alcoholic, neither are my two sisters and brother--but my brother did get hooked on internet gaming. i've told my kids they are pre-disposed to having an addictive personality, since tonys parents also drink like fish.. thankfully so far, so good.
is it like other diseases, can be carried, but not necessarily passed on? or does it require more than just the genes?
tony and i did both smoke, but we both quit cold turkey.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i do have a question or two about alcoholism. i personally never considered it as a disease...but i concede i could be wrong about that.

at any rate, both my parents are very heavy drinkers. i have referred to them in conversations as alcoholics. my mothers father, and some of her brothers were/are as well-and some of their children. but i'm not an alcoholic, neither are my two sisters and brother--but my brother did get hooked on internet gaming. i've told my kids they are pre-disposed to having an addictive personality, since tonys parents also drink like fish.. thankfully so far, so good.
is it like other diseases, can be carried, but not necessarily passed on? or does it require more than just the genes?
tony and i did both smoke, but we both quit cold turkey.

This is basically an old genetics theme called penetrance. 100% penetrance means a certain gene will determine some physical/biochemical characteristics for example eye color. If you have the two recessive genes for eye color you will have blue eyes. Now you might put brown colored contacts on... but your eyes are blue.

Most genes do not have 100% penetrance, its somewhere in between. However it is very clear, just like cancer, some people have a GENETIC predisposition to alcholism. Now if they stay away from the stuff, they never become an alcholic. Others have a much lower likelyhood of becoming an alcoholic, but they clearly can if they drink enough.

It is the same way with many mental disorders. Some have a very high penetrance and some require the right environmental conditions to make the disease manifest itself. But make no mistake, depressed people, schizo, have VERY diff. brain chemistry than normal happy folks. Very diff. But because it is not obviously seen (like a missing arm) then people assume it does not exist. But from a biochemical point of view these mental disorders clearly exist.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is basically an old genetics theme called penetrance. 100% penetrance means a certain gene will determine some physical/biochemical characteristics for example eye color. If you have the two recessive genes for eye color you will have blue eyes. Now you might put brown colored contacts on... but your eyes are blue.

Most genes do not have 100% penetrance, its somewhere in between. However it is very clear, just like cancer, some people have a GENETIC predisposition to alcholism. Now if they stay away from the stuff, they never become an alcholic. Others have a much lower likelyhood of becoming an alcoholic, but they clearly can if they drink enough.

It is the same way with many mental disorders. Some have a very high penetrance and some require the right environmental conditions to make the disease manifest itself. But make no mistake, depressed people, schizo, have VERY diff. brain chemistry than normal happy folks. Very diff. But because it is not obviously seen (like a missing arm) then people assume it does not exist. But from a biochemical point of view these mental disorders clearly exist.

ok, thanks very much.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though I agree this would most certainly be helpful, the ACLU would have a field day with it as soon as they have run out of terrorists to defend.

Well,if it's a disease, then where is the effort to prevent it?It's not like obesity.People gotta eat.People don't have to drink ethanol.It's a matter of making it a bad experience the 1st time they try it(if they have the gene that makes them addicted to it.) Where are the fkn Mormons when ya need them?