Giants

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Generally when you "thoroughly outplay a team" there are no ifs and you dont need last minute scoring drives to pull it out.

Yeah go ahead and try to rain on his parade. His team just won the Super Bowl. Arguably the second greatest upset in the history of football and you're more concerned about getting in a battle of semantics in order to be right.

Ponderous.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah go ahead and try to rain on his parade. His team just won the Super Bowl. Arguably the second greatest upset in the history of football and you're more concerned about getting in a battle of semantics in order to be right.

Ponderous.

Did I say something not true? This is not like he is celebrating the birth of a child or something. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious? The guy said that they didnt need any breaks. The Manning to Tyree play was just superior coaching I guess. I said the Giants were deserving winners. In a close game they got more breaks. No rain.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did I say something not true? This is not like he is celebrating the birth of a child or something. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious? The guy said that they didnt need any breaks. The Manning to Tyree play was just superior coaching I guess. I said the Giants were deserving winners. In a close game they got more breaks. No rain.

Where did point say the Giants dominated the game? Outplayed does not mean dominated.

Do you agree that the Giants outplayed the Pats?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They played great. I was mystified with NE's playcalling. Were they saving Moss for the Pro Bowl? Going for 4th and 13 on the 30, up 4? And the Giants were very lucky that a few of Eli's passes werent picked. But the play where he escaped and threw it up for grabs was like a sign that they were destined to win. That was an unbelievable play. My dad was saying a few weeks ago how a few bad bounces or fortunate breaks can turn you into a genius or goat. That was never more true than today.

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Giants were far more fortunate tha NE in close or lucky plays. The ball the NE guy fell on when the Giants were on there own 15 was unbelievably lucky. If NE gets the ball on the 15 and goes up 14-3, a whole different ball game. On the last drive alone the were a few plays that went the Giants way. I am not knocking them, they were a deserving champion, unlike the BCS which would have had NE vs Dallas and poor Mercury Morris would be crying right now.

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[Cannon Shell]

I fail to see where I rained on the poor Giant fans parade.

Where is the word outplayed in that bolded nonsense? I like the trashing that's not in bold.

[fpsoxfan]

I would have to say that if any team is a 12 point favorite they shouldn't need or have to rely on lucky breaks. The Giants defense did something no other team was able to do this year and put Brady on his rear end several times. And lucky breaks? 12 men on the field call wasn't lucky? The interception off the hands of Smith wasn't lucky? The lob pass that Manning missed Plexico on when he was rolling out was very very lucky for the Patriots. If the Giants convert there, then there may not have been even a need for a comeback. So, people can come up with this lucky break hogwash all they want to, but the result is what it is. Great job Giants.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Where is the word outplayed in that bolded nonsense? I like the trashing that's not in bold.

Since when is pointing out what happened trashing? The Giants "outplayed" the Pats. They also caught a few more breaks. Simple. If you take offense to interceptions that went through all-pro corners hands and miracle catches, go right ahead. It was a great game. If they played 10 times I would have a hard time saying that it wouldnt be 5-5. Hard to say the truth is trashing or knocking.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I would have to say that if any team is a 12 point favorite they shouldn't need or have to rely on lucky breaks. The Giants defense did something no other team was able to do this year and put Brady on his rear end several times. And lucky breaks? 12 men on the field call wasn't lucky? The interception off the hands of Smith wasn't lucky? The lob pass that Manning missed Plexico on when he was rolling out was very very lucky for the Patriots. If the Giants convert there, then there may not have been even a need for a comeback. So, people can come up with this lucky break hogwash all they want to, but the result is what it is. Great job Giants.

No one said the Giants didnt play well. But they DID get more breaks than the other team. It is not a knock, it is an observation. The Pats got the breaks when they should have lost to the Ravens. They did not last night. Difference between winning and losing in a close game. We can agree that it was a close game cant we Giant fans? Or was it a thorough 3 point blowout?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when is pointing out what happened trashing? The Giants "outplayed" the Pats. They also caught a few more breaks. Simple. If you take offense to interceptions that went through all-pro corners hands and miracle catches, go right ahead. It was a great game. If they played 10 times I would have a hard time saying that it wouldnt be 5-5. Hard to say the truth is trashing or knocking.

Did you actually bet the Patriots? Is that why you're being so biased?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said the Giants didnt play well. But they DID get more breaks than the other team. It is not a knock, it is an observation. The Pats got the breaks when they should have lost to the Ravens. They did not last night. Difference between winning and losing in a close game. We can agree that it was a close game cant we Giant fans? Or was it a thorough 3 point blowout?

I know that. Heck, I'm a Giants fan and I didn't think they'd win, but I was very impressed with their defense. They set the tone for the game. It was by no means a blowout. The giants were not going to win a shoot out. The needed to just keep the game close and have a chance to win it in the end. The Giants were similar to a Cinderella team in the NCAA. They got hot at the right time of the season.

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Did you actually bet the Patriots? Is that why you're being so biased?

No, and I hardly see where I am being biased. Did you not watch the game? If not for a missed catch or recovered fumble couldnt the game have had the opposite outcome? I didnt say that the Giants were not worthy or that NE should have won. But they were fortunate. And that has been the entire point of my posts. Fortunate teams win close games.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I know that. Heck, I'm a Giants fan and I didn't think they'd win, but I was very impressed with their defense. They set the tone for the game. It was by no means a blowout. The giants were not going to win a shoot out. The needed to just keep the game close and have a chance to win it in the end. The Giants were similar to a Cinderella team in the NCAA. They got hot at the right time of the season.

They played great on defense and only turned it over once on offense. My point has been that they got some important breaks and that surely helped. The difference between Belichek being the greatest coach in history and a disgruntled guy who left the field early was the ball going through his best corners hands. That is not taking anything away from the Giants. I also dont buy that this is the biggest upset in history. That would be a discredit for the Giants because they are a really good team. NE beating the Rams in 2002 was a more unlikely outcome and the Jets in 69 will be hard to top. I mean they played a month ago and lost by 3 to the same team.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

They played very passively on offense. It was like they fell in love with the Jacksonville gameplan and tried to duplicate it. When they opened it up late they moved efficently. But the Giants beat up the Oline and Brady didnt seem to be the same player. Maybe it was the pressure but he missed a lot of passes by alot. Some of Welkers catches were poorly thrown and he missed quite a few easy ones. But you have to give the Giants front 7 a lot of credit. And despite my assertions that the Giants had a couple breaks on offense, they didnt have any really bad turnovers.

[The Bid]

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

No..it's Colonel Klink...a Military now 2yr old that we (Phil, Chuck and I) got at Keeneland sale in Sept.

I love Hogan's Heroes and Sgt Schultz was taken, so....